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ThePieMaker
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So many people no nothing about gay people, but insult them! Come on! Its in your DNA! It's like being black! And lets not repeat history folks. Your born gay, but people act as if its a choice. And so many people say "Uhh... The bible says you can't be gay, so yeah..." So God has a little spot in Hell for all his children born gay?

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Zophia
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Being gay is a choice, If i hate black people i am not born that way i am taught that by growing up in an environment. I do not hate gays i feel they should be left alone, BUT it is a choice, if it is not then you must also be born racist sexists child molesters where born that way, killers are born that way, why is are gays born that way but no other type of person?
Your grammar is pretty bad, so please forgive me if I misunderstood your point.
But: Sexual preference can't quite be compared with racism or violent tendencies like you do.

You can choose whether or not to act on a sudden urge to be violent or even kill someone. The urge can stem from a psychological disorder you were born with, or you can just have been brought up in a way that makes you more likely to react violently.

You can choose whether or not to hate any minority. Hate is not something you were born with, it is mostly developed via influence (bad experiences or parents and friends being typical input sources).

You choose whether or not to act on your impulses. You don't choose what impulses you get.

To touch on the sexuality related choices/not-choices...
I'm bi, leaning strongly towards a preference of other females. I could choose to never kiss another girl, but I would still want to. I could choose to pretend I'm either purely straight or purely gay, in fact I have tried (both), but it just didn't work for me. I still say I'm gay if the question just needs a quick answer, but yeah.

And for the comparison you wanted to make...
I have a friend who has admitted to be sexually attracted to kids, as well as the general concept of rape (not just of kids). He hates himself for feeling those attractions. He is in contact with a psychologist to deal with that and the self harming tendencies the self hate brought on (but that's not really the internet's business). He most definitely didn't choose those attractions; but he chooses to not act on them.

So it is comparable... But while pedophilia is widely against the law, homosexuality and heterosexuality (for same choice factors go for that) is usually something that involves two consenting adults (or teens), and thus the similarity ends. (See also what MageGrayWolf said.)

@the actual topic:
Being ignorant means you don't question beliefs much, if at all. Less ignorant homophobics occasionally realize their reasons for being homophobic are bad and stop being phobics. They may still dislike homosexuals, but usually have some more thought-through reasons.
Xzeno
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Certainly not from a biological perspective, is what I'm trying to get at. In a summation, "I'm born with it" does not constitute a valid excuse.
Granted. It may be natural for someone to kill or rape, but it doesn't make it moral. However, by your diction (particularly the word excuse) you seem to indicate that homosexuality is, in fact, immoral. Is this interpretation of what you say correct?
GreatestSoloEver
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People may be ignorant but why do you care!? It's just something you have to live with. What I believe is that being gay is a wrong choice. I'm not gay people are corrupted with evil. Stealing is a wrong choice,but if you do it your not evil. I guess what I'm saying is even though I believe people should not be gay, I am willing to accept that people are, and they should have the freedom to live that way, peacefully.

MageGrayWolf
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Certainly not from a biological perspective, is what I'm trying to get at. In a summation, "I'm born with it" does not constitute a valid excuse.


I was agree with your point here. Just because something is biologically instilled doesn't mean it's right to act on. So I was asking, what makes homosexuality immoral?

I can't say I'm entirely sure what you're getting at here. Please clarify.


I was covering my bases here. Some might argue like pedophilia the individuals involved can experience physical, mental and emotional harm. However unlike pedophilia where this is a result of the actions them self, the harm has been caused to homosexuals is a result of others outside of there actions.
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You can choose whether or not to act on a sudden urge to be violent or even kill someone. The urge can stem from a psychological disorder you were born with, or you can just have been brought up in a way that makes you more likely to react violently.

I feel that like it has been said that, "I'm born that way" is just not a good answer for anything with exceptions to proven tings such as retardation and such. There is no proof of any Gay gene and until then saying your born that way wont cut it. Gays should say proudly"I AM GAY" if they are proud of it. Not say it was put upon them and they have no choice. I have nothing against gays but i find it weird that they are ashamed to admit there life choices"the majority" that simple say that it is not an option. I hope that they put that behind them and accept there life style if they want it and then say , "hey im gay and i choose to be", if i where gay that is what i would say, but i love the hooters.
MageGrayWolf
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There is no proof of any Gay gene and until then saying your born that way wont cut it.


The 'gay gene' is not an accurate term. It's based more on multiple genetic factors. The original study that dubbed the 'gay gene' was based on a study of the X chromosome at the xq28 linkage. These initial finding have since been placed in dispute.

As shown in the video I posted it is shown that it is likely the result of hormones effecting our development while still in the womb. So while there is technically no 'gay gene' it is still likely that is how people are born.
Zophia
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Gays should say proudly"I AM GAY" if they are proud of it. Not say it was put upon them and they have no choice.
I have yet to meet a gay person, irl or online, who claims their orientation was &quotut upon them". Most go with an "I just turned out this way" or "I've always known I liked the same sex". Or similar things. One guy I know thought he was asexual throughout his teens, then eventually realized he just didn't like girls and started looking in the other direction.
I know according to the internet some go "I was born this way, don't hate on me!!", but either it's mainly an internetdrama thing or it just doesn't happen over in this little country.
"hey im gay and i choose to be"
I like the separation you made of 'am gay' and 'choose to be'.
"I'm gay, but I choose not to be" can happen. It'd usually lead to a broken hetero-relationship or perpetual singleness, though.
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Jessikar... lol epic debate post i dont see anything wrong with being gay, i hate christians more and more because they are against so many things that are natural... like being born gay or havin sex b4 marriage.

Zophia
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Hating someone because they're against something is pretty unfair, though. We don't all share the same views on life, and it is near impossible to say which views are right.

Not all Christians are stupid/ignorant/biblethumpers/stupid ignorant biblethumpers. It's just that the ones who are, are really "good" at being so...

But hate is a strong feeling. Don't throw it at a group of people too lightly.

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i dont see anything wrong with being gay, i hate christians more and more because they are against so many things that are natural..

I hate atheists more and more because they generalize stuff unfairly, often by clinging on to their science, when generalizing unfairly is actually an argumentative flaw.
Nah, it's not true. About the hating, that is. The argumentative flaw still stands, at least in this case.

As shown in the video I posted it is shown that it is likely the result of hormones effecting our development while still in the womb. So while there is technically no 'gay gene' it is still likely that is how people are born.

Another good reason to hate one's parents.
With the amount of sexual orientations, fetishes and perversion (seen in a light of society), if it really is hormones that change it, I wonder why I more often hear about experiments about relatively stupid things (If you each 3 kilos of potatoes every day in 30 years, you will have a heightened chance of getting cancer) and not anything that actually matters to make the entire population of humans be exactly the same with the same preferences and lusts... Oh yeah, ethics.
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i dont see anything wrong with being gay, i hate christians more and more because they are against so many things that are natural


Right well to avoid destroying your statement and wasting my time look at Cenere's reply.

On the topic of hormones being the reason for sexual preference shouldn't someone who likes the same gender be of the opposite gender if this were true? seeing how hormones determine our gender in the first place.
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seeing how hormones determine our gender in the first place.


Since when does hormones determine your sex?

I thought those were the sexual chromosomes..

XY= Boy XX= Girl

Or uh, what??
samy
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Since when does hormones determine your sex?

I thought those were the sexual chromosomes..

XY= Boy XX= Girl

Or uh, what??


Right, right touche.

Never mind; biology fail =P

I know that they influence how you develop however.
sourwhatup2
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I know that they influence how you develop however.


That they do.. xD

It determines how you think and such..
Xzeno
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XY= Boy XX= Girl
Except, of course, women with XY chromosomes. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
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