ForumsWEPRArizona's Way Of Thanking California For Boycotting Us

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xKimchix
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Congratulations California, you have boycotted us due to the immigration law. In defense, we, Arizona, will threaten to cut the power to Los Angeles.
Seriously

Since summer is coming up, LA is going to be stuck with no A/C and electricity and while our temperatures is going to skyrocket into the 100s, we always love surplus power

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Maverick4
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I see it:

I read the entire thing (and now my head hurts) and dusted off my dictionary, but it seems as if you have to breaking a law:

EXAMPLE:

Lets say I'm going 98mph on the free way in Arizona, cause I'm late. Well, the cop pulls me over and ask for my ID:

Scenario 1:

I give the cop my ID, I get a ticket, and possibly a huge fin, and all is well (somewhat).

Scenario 2:

Cop ask for my ID, which I dont have. My license and Registration, which I also dont have. IF I HAVE NO WAY OF IDENTIFYING MYSELF, the cop has reasonable suspicion of me being illegal, and can detain me. Since I am an American Citizen, I can prove my legality eventually.

It just seems to me like its allowing everyday cops to do what the border patrol's been doing forever...

14th Admendment:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Since this law is addressed towards ILLEGAL immigrants, they are not citizens of the United States. Yes, the State of Arizona is required to treat them equally under the law, but since they are NOT citizens of the United States, I'm thinking this means they dont have rights UNDER THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. I'm guessing they would be under UN Sanctions, or the Mexican Constitution.

Thats my two cents.

thisisnotanalt
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That's not the problem people have with it. The problem is that innocent law-abiding citizens who happen to be Hispanic are arrested because the police officer believes he has 'reasonable suspicion'.


No, the only time that's going to happen is going to be followed by the policeman in question being fired for misconduct. Reasonable suspicion has to be reasonable, and there is not going to be reasonable suspicion unless the person in question has done something notably wrong.
thepossum
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Reasonable suspicion has to be reasonable, and there is not going to be reasonable suspicion unless the person in question has done something notably wrong.


What wrong thing do illegal immigrants do that make police notice them?
314d1
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What wrong thing do illegal immigrants do that make police notice them?


I'm starting to think your head is full of lead.

IF THEY DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THE LAW,THEN THE LAW APPLIES! THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ILLEGAL BEFORE THE LAW TAKES EFFECT!
thisisnotanalt
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What wrong thing do illegal immigrants do that make police notice them?


Something illegal.
turret
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314d1

IF THEY DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THE LAW,THEN THE LAW APPLIES! THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ILLEGAL BEFORE THE LAW TAKES EFFECT!


They don't have to do something illegal to get checked by the police. If a policeman think that your an illegal immigrant then he can check you and ask for your documentation (proof) that your a U.S citizen. I think this law would only be toward hispanics because a cop wont walk up to a white person and ask the same questions.

thepossum
What wrong thing do illegal immigrants do that make police notice them?


Are you saying that illegal immigrants don't do anything wrong? They do the same things that normal people do like kill,rape, steal etc. They are no different from regular people except for the fact that they are illegal immigrants.
314d1
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They don't have to do something illegal to get checked by the police. If a policeman think that your an illegal immigrant then he can check you and ask for your documentation (proof) that your a U.S citizen. I think this law would only be toward hispanics because a cop wont walk up to a white person and ask the same questions.


Have you been paying attention? They have to be doing something illegal, and then the cop asks to see there ID. If the do not have one then the law starts to take effect. They can not go up to a random person and ask for ID...
turret
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[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/22/us/22immig.html]

The law would require the police âwhen practicableâ to detain people they reasonably suspected were in the country without authorization. It would also allow the police to charge immigrants with a state crime for not carrying immigration documents. And it allows residents to sue cities if they believe the law is not being enforced.


Tis clearly states that policeman can search people they think came into this country illegally.
turret
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/22/us/22immig.html

314d1
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reasonably suspected


That is the good part, making it so they have to break another law to be able to be searched.
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They don't have to do something illegal to get checked by the police. If a policeman think that your an illegal immigrant then he can check you and ask for your documentation (proof) that your a U.S citizen. I think this law would only be toward hispanics because a cop wont walk up to a white person and ask the same questions.


Read the bill.

Tis clearly states that policeman can search people they think came into this country illegally.


See above.
turret
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reasonably suspected


That could mean anything, it doesn't mean they have to break a law they could just be acting suspicious.
314d1
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A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution.


This says otherwise.
Maverick5762
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ok guys heres a good point on this "Reasonable suspicion" of looking like an illegal...
Suspicious behavior on Cinco de Mayo

314d1
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*Facepalm* I think you have caught possum's lead brain.

A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution.

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