I was reading over some arguments, when I saw some things that went against usual Christian logic. Apparently, against popular beliefs, you do not need to be a Christian to go to Christian heaven. This is just one example of ignorance about your own religion. So, I ask, do you theist know everything, or at least the fundamentals, of your religion? If you do not, how can you justify fully devoting yourself to said religion?
I was reading over some arguments, when I saw some things that went against usual Christian logic. Apparently, against popular beliefs, you do not need to be a Christian to go to Christian heaven. This is just one example of ignorance about your own religion. So, I ask, do you theist know everything, or at least the fundamentals, of your religion? If you do not, how can you justify fully devoting yourself to said religion?
My religion is the worship of the trinity of God and as they are infinite beings I cannot understand everything about them so no I don't know everything about my religion. That being said I do think that I understand the fundamentals and some of the more complex ideas associated with my beliefs.
In regards to the link they all relate back to following the teachings of Jesus Christ so in essence there is only one way.
How false. Many Christians state you must believe in Jesus death "for you" to be able to go to heaven. Yet that is false. According to the text I had shown I will go to heaven just because my parents believed. And there is a few that absolutely anyone can get, such as ask to get into heaven. Actually, I think it is nearly impossible to NOT get to heaven.
It seems that you do not fully understand the concept of heaven, witch is one of the fundamentals.
Oh of course not your never wrong; excuse me for debating how would you like me to say your right?
Not unless someone proves me wrong. But since you seem to be crawling off to a Christian corner without even debating, I must assume I am correct. You stated that you must believe Jesus's teachings, witch is false leading me to believe that you do not fully understand the concept of heaven, witch of course is mostly what Christianity is about...
Not unless someone proves me wrong. But since you seem to be crawling off to a Christian corner without even debating, I must assume I am correct. You stated that you must believe Jesus's teachings, witch is false leading me to believe that you do not fully understand the concept of heaven, witch of course is mostly what Christianity is about...
Well let's post a verse and show that I'm right then.
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
Here's another thing: Most of those things are taken out of context. Like way out of contest. So yea.... Read the actual Bible and then come tell me about it.
Here's another thing: Most of those things are taken out of context. Like way out of contest. So yea.... Read the actual Bible and then come tell me about it.
That or Christians have not fully developed a universal understanding of their bible, hence multiple sects and what not.
314d1, what you fail to realize about Christianity is that it is made from multiple sects. These sects each have their unique belief systems revolving around Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God the Father. Some of these sects demand you believe in beliefs fully to gain admitance to heaven, while others calim simply being a good person is enough. Samy is right and you are fully in the wrong to assume that Christianity is a fully encompassing term when it comes to deal with beliefs. Look up Baptists and Catholics you'll find a big difference between the two, yet both sects are Christian.
Well let me post several verses and show I am more correct.
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. -- Matthew 7:7-8
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And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. -- Acts 16:31
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. -- 1 Corinthians 7:14
And then, two more just for good measure.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. -- Matthew 5:8
He that endureth to the end shall be saved. -- Matthew 10:22, 24:13, Mark 13:13
Two more? Sure. I have 67, 66 not counting the one you brought up.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. -- Matthew 25:34-36
If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. -- Matthew 19:17-19
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life. -- Revelation 22:14
And one for the poor people!
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. --Matthew 5:3
Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. ... But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. -- Luke 6:20, 24
Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. -- Matthew 19:23-24
But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. -- Luke 6:24
Ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. -- James 5:1
In addition, it's all a made up belief system, so many people have different views. There is not one "correct" or "true" system of beliefs. How can you tell others they are wrong, when you have no way of knowing that you are right?
Know the difference between Truth and Opinion, and Fact and Belief.
314d1 your quotes really prove nothing in the larger scheme of things. The bible in itself is a contradiction and is not meant to be taken literally. It is merely a moral guide, and Samy is, yet again, correct:
Which we haven't and never will; as my pastor said the bible is absolute truth but as humans we don't have absolute knowledge.
314d1, what you fail to realize about Christianity is that it is made from multiple sects. These sects each have their unique belief systems revolving around Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God the Father. Some of these sects demand you believe in beliefs fully to gain admitance to heaven, while others calim simply being a good person is enough. Samy is right and you are fully in the wrong to assume that Christianity is a fully encompassing term when it comes to deal with beliefs. Look up Baptists and Catholics you'll find a big difference between the two, yet both sects are Christian.
I realize that, but the majority of Christians who believe in one of the large number of books I listed, and then some, say that there are several other ways to get into heaven.
Right; there is only one tenant of Christianity that must always be held. Jesus was the son of God.
May I ask were it says that?
Here's another thing: Most of those things are taken out of context. Like way out of contest. So yea.... Read the actual Bible and then come tell me about it.
First, so is everything in the Bible. Second, a few of them take "Blessed" as going to heaven, witch is virtually the same thing according to the dictionary.
314d1 your quotes really prove nothing in the larger scheme of things. The bible in itself is a contradiction and is not meant to be taken literally. It is merely a moral guide, and Samy is, yet again, correct:
It contradicts itself in many ways, witch makes it less worthy to be believed. But what part is meant to be taken literally? Everyone says something different at this point. There are plenty of non-moral things in the Bible, making it even unworthy as a moral code.
