I was reading over some arguments, when I saw some things that went against usual Christian logic. Apparently, against popular beliefs, you do not need to be a Christian to go to Christian heaven. This is just one example of ignorance about your own religion. So, I ask, do you theist know everything, or at least the fundamentals, of your religion? If you do not, how can you justify fully devoting yourself to said religion?
So your telling me that we have a world full of people who don't understand every aspect of what they believe?
Why are you saying that someone has to conduct the research themselves to understand something? Were you around 2,000 years ago to talk to Jesus and witness what he did? Or did you READ about it..... in ....one book.
I see your point but there's an absolute moral code in there somewhere; just have to study, pray, and listen.
Again morality is subjective so you can't have an absolute moral. For example if the moral code was an absolute slavery would have to still be regarded as an exceptable practice. Even within the confines between the old and new testaments the morals actions seem to change depending on the situation.
314d1, You will never convince an actual Christian to leave the faith,
I don't think that's the point of the topic.
Anyway moving on... Where in the Bible does it mention God being a trinity? Where does the Bible mention purgatory?
Why are you saying that someone has to conduct the research themselves to understand something? Were you around 2,000 years ago to talk to Jesus and witness what he did? Or did you READ about it..... in ....one book.
Again morality is subjective so you can't have an absolute moral. For example if the moral code was an absolute slavery would have to still be regarded as an exceptable practice. Even within the confines between the old and new testaments the morals actions seem to change depending on the situation.
Fair point although I still think that a moral code is to be discovered in the bible even if it's very hard to find and may revolve around the time period it was written in and the cultural practices.
Where in the Bible does it mention God being a trinity?
It doesn't but it hints in several places that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are equal to, or parts, of a "Godhead". Also at the baptism of Jesus all three parts of God are exhibited and can be seen.
Where does the Bible mention purgatory?
I don't believe in purgatory; ask a Catholic =P
Why are you saying that someone has to conduct the research themselves to understand something? Were you around 2,000 years ago to talk to Jesus and witness what he did? Or did you READ about it..... in ....one book.
I think you're missing the point.
You know I think wolf hit this one right on the head; your original point was that I didn't understand all of my religion and that made me wrong/ignorant and yet you've been running in circles trying to say you don't need to understand all of a scientific theory to believe in it.
Where in the Bible does it mention God being a trinity?
"Let Us make man in Our own Image"-Genesis 1:26.
Many people would say that points towards the Trinity. (My beliefs are meh, I tend to get really confused on the subject of aliens about my religion, so I'll just argue for the more common vies)
You know I think wolf hit this one right on the head; your original point was that I didn't understand all of my religion and that made me wrong/ignorant and yet you've been running in circles trying to say you don't need to understand all of a scientific theory to believe in it.
I really don't think I am missing the point. My original point, ACTUALLY, was to say it's all made up so how can one person say they are right and someone else is wrong. Then you come to say that I don't know anything from science since I didn't do the research myself.
Then I said that there are many documented studies done in science, confirming others' research. There is none for religion.
And hey, maybe you could READ WHAT THE FUCK I WRITE? I never said you don't need to understand a scientific study to think it's right. You just asked what studies I HAVE DONE. I said you don't need to CONDUCT A STUDY YOURSELF to UNDERSTAND IT.
And also my point was that there are no studies or anything that can be done on religion, so arguing the "truth" of it is useless, back to my original point.
Scientific studies can be read and understood without actually doing the study yourself. They are also recreated by others and documented as well, so there is a better chance of catching and fixing mistakes, and gives it a better chance of being correct.
Religion is just a bunch of people going on rules and stories in a book written a few thousand years ago, yet now you argue on the meaning and "truth" of it all? It's all just a belief system.
Scientific studies can be read and understood without actually doing the study yourself. They are also recreated by others and documented as well, so there is a better chance of catching and fixing mistakes, and gives it a better chance of being correct.
This is not my point my point is that you cannot say I'm foolish for not knowing every aspect of what I believe when you yourself do not either.
I really don't think I am missing the point. My original point, ACTUALLY, was to say it's all made up so how can one person say they are right and someone else is wrong. Then you come to say that I don't know anything from science since I didn't do the research myself. Then I said that there are many documented studies done in science, confirming others' research. There is none for religion. And hey, maybe you could READ WHAT THE **** I WRITE? I never said you don't need to understand a scientific study to think it's right. You just asked what studies I HAVE DONE. I said you don't need to CONDUCT A STUDY YOURSELF to UNDERSTAND IT. And also my point was that there are no studies or anything that can be done on religion, so arguing the "truth" of it is useless, back to my original point. Scientific studies can be read and understood without actually doing the study yourself. They are also recreated by others and documented as well, so there is a better chance of catching and fixing mistakes, and gives it a better chance of being correct. Religion is just a bunch of people going on rules and stories in a book written a few thousand years ago, yet now you argue on the meaning and "truth" of it all? It's all just a belief system
I am not religious myself, but when there's someone who is just spewing out word vomit and who's only point is to run around in circles and claim they fully understand their beliefs...well then I decide that you need to be knocked down a notch. So, let's get a few things straight:
1. No one knows the full extent of their beliefs, for no one truly knows who they are. 2. If you believe you do know everything about you and your beliefs I suggest you stop being an arrogant prick. 3. Samy is perhaps the most repsect Christian on this sight and has justified every thing he has ever posted on his beliefs. 4. You are no even adressing his points merely defaming him.
You know I think wolf hit this one right on the head; your original point was that I didn't understand all of my religion and that made me wrong/ignorant and yet you've been running in circles trying to say you don't need to understand all of a scientific theory to believe in it.
Yes wolf had an excellent point there. However since the belief is treated as absolute any misunderstandings will be treated as truth, rather then being rooted out and discarded.
I am not religious myself, but when there's someone who is just spewing out word vomit and who's only point is to run around in circles and claim they fully understand their beliefs...well then I decide that you need to be knocked down a notch. So, let's get a few things straight:
1. No one knows the full extent of their beliefs, for no one truly knows who they are. 2. If you believe you do know everything about you and your beliefs I suggest you stop being an arrogant prick. 3. Samy is perhaps the most repsect Christian on this sight and has justified every thing he has ever posted on his beliefs. 4. You are no even adressing his points merely defaming him.
Sorry, I'm getting tired of the "most respect Christian" on here because he ignores any evidence, takes what I say out of context, and makes things up. He also changes the subject when I am trying to explain things.
Sorry if I got tired of trying to reason with him.
1. Really? No one knows who they are? Why do you say this 2. And yes, the things I believe in, I actually read about and understand....... I have my reasons for "believing in them" 3. You obviously haven't read everything on here, or you are too thick to really get it, so I don't really care much for your opinion on the matter. 4. Like I said, I got tired of addressing his ridiculous and silly claims, so now I just don't even bother and I just defamed him, like you said.
This is more directed at the OP, because I am on up to date on all the posts on this topic yet.
This brings up really good points. I have always been curious about that passage in the Bible that says only a few hundred thousand souls will enter the kingdom of heaven. That's it.
I'm pretty sure that a few hundred thousand Christians have already died at this point, so where do the rest go, according to Christianity?
