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314d1
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I was reading over some arguments, when I saw some things that went against usual Christian logic. Apparently, against popular beliefs, you do not need to be a Christian to go to Christian heaven. This is just one example of ignorance about your own religion. So, I ask, do you theist know everything, or at least the fundamentals, of your religion? If you do not, how can you justify fully devoting yourself to said religion?

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[quote]314d1, what you fail to realize about Christianity is that it is made of multiple sects. These sects each have their unique belief systems revolving around Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God the Father.

Both Samy and wolf1991 are correct. Just because one small branch believes that faith is not required for salvation does not mean that all Christians are united in this belief. "Christians" are simply people who believe in a Trinitarian God. Groups may disagree on even the largest of beliefs, including salvation.

samy
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May I ask were it says that?


Christian :Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.

I never said it was biblical just that it was all it took o be considered a Christian.

Context, interpretation, and will.

These three things are the reason for differences among the church.
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Hm.....are you guys on the debate team or something?

lol

samy
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There are plenty of non-moral things in the Bible, making it even unworthy as a moral code.


God's moral code is above ours.

*Continues talking to wall*
314d1
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*Note to self. Remember to look up your own dictionary results before using words.

Both Samy and wolf1991 are correct. Just because one small branch believes that faith is not required for salvation does not mean that all Christians are united in this belief. "Christians" are simply people who believe in a Trinitarian God. Groups may disagree on even the largest of beliefs, including salvation.


Small branch? I took quotes from both the new testament and the old testament. Every Christian should technically believe.
314d1
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God's moral code is above ours.


Moral may be relative, but today's society takes mass genocide of people you don't like, stoning of mass amount of people, and cruel and unusual punishment as morally incorrect things.
nova2772
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Bye, guys. This debate is too fast paced for my feeble typing skills. =(

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314d1, what you fail to realize about Christianity is that it is made from multiple sects. These sects each have their unique belief systems revolving around Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God the Father. Some of these sects demand you believe in beliefs fully to gain admitance to heaven, while others calim simply being a good person is enough. Samy is right and you are fully in the wrong to assume that Christianity is a fully encompassing term when it comes to deal with beliefs. Look up Baptists and Catholics you'll find a big difference between the two, yet both sects are Christian.


If there is suppose to be just one truth then the very existence of these different denominations would seem to support 314d1s point.

Which we haven't and never will; as my pastor said the bible is absolute truth but as humans we don't have absolute knowledge.


The problem here is not all the stories are entirely true, possibly not true at all. This of course doesn't touch on weather or not the stories are good moral guides or not. Just that if the story isn't entirely true it can't be absolute truth.
samy
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If there is suppose to be just one truth then the very existence of these different denominations would seem to support 314d1s point.


Which we haven't and never will; as my pastor said the bible is absolute truth but as humans we don't have absolute knowledge.


The problem here is not all the stories are entirely true, possibly not true at all. This of course doesn't touch on weather or not the stories are good moral guides or not. Just that if the story isn't entirely true it can't be absolute truth


Are you referring to parables or stories, such as creation, that may very well be symbolic?
314d1
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http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/quiz-show-bible-contradictions.html

Video on Bible contradictions.

Are you referring to parables or stories, such as creation, that may very well be symbolic?


Many things Jesus said or that were taking from context from him were in my link. Remember, believing in the word of Jesus is what makes a Christian, thus you can not take them as figurative and remain a Christian...
samy
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Video on Bible contradictions.


Check it out when I'm not supposed to be doing homework.

Many things Jesus said or that were taking from context from him were in my link. Remember, believing in the word of Jesus is what makes a Christian, thus you can not take them as figurative and remain a Christian...


Parables aren't meant to be taken literally.
314d1
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And by the way, I found a long string that says atheist are supposed to be hit with rocks. Not as bad as being killed, I suppose, but hey, its there.

Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.


So faithless= fool

A fool's lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes. Proverbs 18:6

Judgments are prepared for scorners, and stripes for the back of fools. Proverbs 19:29

A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. Proverbs 26:3

A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. Proverbs 26:3


And fool= getting your ass kicked.
samy
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And fool= getting your *** kicked.


In Hell.
pHacon
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Or Proverbs 12:15

The way of the fool is right in his own eyes, but he who heeds counsel is wise.
samy
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The way of the fool is right in his own eyes, but he who heeds counsel is wise.


Ha; I knew I liked you for a reason =D
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