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Kevin4762
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Should we still keep it? Is it applicable to life the in the 21st century? Would it affect the economy if we make arms illegal?

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Kasic
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CoD fanboys.


Sigh, CoD. So many people think they're an expert on guns/shooting after playing it it's sad.

seeing that there's no way to outlaw them totally anymore without upsetting the balance between criminals and victims, people should have a right to bear arms,


It would be quite expensive to confiscate all guns in the U.S after imposing a ban on them. Not that that would happen, since our constitution quite clearly says that we can have weapons. I do believe however that one should need to be certified in both shooting and situational training however before being allowed to have a gun.

Do you even really need to shoot? Wave the darn thing in his face.


Which probably will work, except for if they think that you won't shoot.
nichodemus
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Which probably will work, except for if they think that you won't shoot.


Faced with possible danger, I think only the most ardent criminals will still carry on. They still value their lives ultimately.
PsyhcoWalrus
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[quote]I used to oppose gun laws in America, but seeing that there's no way to outlaw them totally anymore without upsetting the balance between criminals and victims, people should have a right to bear arms, just not the ridiculous ones like the automatics people keep mentioning. CoD fanboys.

Nick, I know I made myself look like a CoD fanboy, but I'm actually not. I'm a gun enthusiast and have only fired my father's pistol once when I was 4. I enjoyed it very much, but much to my disappointment, he wouldn't let me fire it a second time(I can see why).
The only thing I would like to see different is a free gun market where you can buy any sort of gun. The only limit should be if it's a military grade heavy machine gun, bazooka, rpg, grenade launcher, or sniper. Because well, unless you're a hunter, what would be the purpose of needing a sniper?

Kasic
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what would be the purpose of needing a sniper?


What would be the purpose of needing anything heavier than a pistol? You don't need a machine gun to defend yourself. Those are made for killing, the idea here is personal defense not manslaughter.
nichodemus
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What would be the purpose of needing anything heavier than a pistol? You don't need a machine gun to defend yourself. Those are made for killing, the idea here is personal defense not manslaughter.


Shotgun/rifles for the deers too. But that's the most I can see. And there already is a free gun market, every where you go there are gun shops.
PsyhcoWalrus
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You're right. You don't need a heavy machine gun to defend yourself. A semi automatic pistol would do just fine. 357. caliber is my favourite.

Dewi1066
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We have so many "bad" people out there in this day and age that owning a gun and being able to carry it with you is so important.


Strange. I live in country where only specially trained police officers carry guns. The average person hasn't seen a gun in real life, let alone fired one, so as it turns out, living in the modern age a gun isn't that essential after all.

I've no problem with gun ownership at all, but using the excuse that there are lots of bad people in the world seems a pretty lame excuse. The simple fact that you can have a gun, means they can have a gun as well, so the 'bad' people are now armed.

In a country where no one has a gun, it doesn't stop crime or murder, we still manage to stab each other, throw each other out of windows or beat each other to death, but we don't have to buy expensive weapons to enjoy all the fun of being violently attacked. We just use what is handy at the time.
nichodemus
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Strange. I live in country where only specially trained police officers carry guns. The average person hasn't seen a gun in real life, let alone fired one, so as it turns out, living in the modern age a gun isn't that essential after all.


If you live in Hondorus where the murder rate is 78 per 100,000 compared to below 2 in the UK, you might well, feel unsafe.
thepunisher93
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I would love to have a 9mm and Ak 47
with some 12 gauge shotgun
(I will buy these as soon as I will be able to afford them.).

Dewi1066
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If you live in Hondorus where the murder rate is 78 per 100,000 compared to below 2 in the UK, you might well, feel unsafe.


I don't live in Honduras, along with approximately 6,832,907,000 other people in the world who also don't live in Honduras.

All Honduras highlights the need for law and order, an organised society with effective policing. It doesn't highlight that gun ownership is essential in the modern age, so I fail to see your point?
nichodemus
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All Honduras highlights the need for law and order, an organised society with effective policing. It doesn't highlight that gun ownership is essential in the modern age, so I fail to see your point?


My point being that certain countries with their homicide rate can justify gun rights. Nor am I stating the UK should have gun rights, or that most countries should have gun rights. It's quite funny to see you ''infer'' stuff like that.

All Honduras highlights the need for law and order, an organised society with effective policing.


Which is not likely in the near future.
Dewi1066
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I didn't infer anything nor did I state that you had. But your point is mute. The homicide rate doesn't justify gun ownership at all, it just highlights what happens when an area is left without effective policing and descends into chaos.

I don't think it is likely the problems in Honduras will be sorted out any time soon, but again, the problems there don't promote gun ownership.

nichodemus
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I don't think it is likely the problems in Honduras will be sorted out any time soon, but again, the problems there don't promote gun ownership.


Doesn't promote, but it does highlight the possibility of arming citizens to protect themselves from rampant crime. As numerous users have stated earlier in this thread, if a criminal attacks you suddenly, having a heater by your side might ward him off, instead of calling the cops. I don't necessarily agree with this, coming from a nation which bans guns, but I see where they are coming from.
Dewi1066
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At the same time though, there is the argument that by allowing firearms to be in circulation, you're more likely to be shot by a criminal and not have the chance to defend yourself. Unlike other more basic weapons, a gun doesn't require close contact. You can be shot from a distance.

When it comes to America, it would be near impossible now for them to reverse the right to bear arms. Imagine the nightmare at trying to collect in firearms from millions of people without a huge number slipping into a black market. Guns are a part of America culture for the foreseeable, no matter what liberal politicians have to say on the matter.

nichodemus
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At the same time though, there is the argument that by allowing firearms to be in circulation, you're more likely to be shot by a criminal and not have the chance to defend yourself. Unlike other more basic weapons, a gun doesn't require close contact. You can be shot from a distance.


There are already black markets for guns that criminals frequent. My point, I should have clarified is for nations who have already embarked on gun ownership. Best not for a nation to even start on it, but if it has, like America or Israel, reversing it would tip the odds in favour of the criminals.
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