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CrimsonRose
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This topic is based upon your personal opinion on whether abortion is wrong or right. I personally believe that it is wrong, and have many reasons for it. You may challenge me if you wish, but please make sense!

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angelos6
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Just think about what would happened if your parents decided not to keep you.You would never have born.It wouldnt be your choice so it is like invading your rights.

Avorne
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So all foetuses have human rights in your eyes?

MRWalker82
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Just think about what would happened if your parents decided not to keep you.You would never have born.It wouldnt be your choice so it is like invading your rights.


My parents didn't decide to keep me. I was given up for adoption at birth. Because of that I suffered severe depression and social issues from a very early age, so severe that at only 8 years old I was so depressed that I tried to hang myself. Fortunately my dad was home and heard my choking and kicked down the door and cut me down. Trust me, there were many, many times between then and now when I wish that I had been aborted instead.

The worst part of it is that I was adopted into a wonderful family, educated, both parents got along, financial stability. Classic loving middle class home. I got it very, very good compared the overwhelming number of children in the US up for adoption, and look at the emotional pressures and issues that caused. Think about what the less fortunate adoptees go through.

Then add to that that the majority of those waiting adoption are sitting in foster care or in state orphanage/foster facilities. These are already crowded and more children enter the system than are adopted out of it. If we ban abortion then we would add over 1 million children per year to a system that already can't handle the load it's currently dealing with.

Go down to an orphanage or a government foster facility for children waiting to be adopted and see what they think about their situation. See what they have to go through, and then talk about the child having rights.
Asherlee
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I doubt Angel will come back and reply. Those one-hit-wonders. Post in a debate topic just a vague opinion and never come back to check it.

MageGrayWolf
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I use to know someone in foster care. He hadn't been permanently placed yet. I remember him telling me how he felt like nothing more then a paycheck. What Walker said reminded me of how he would speak. The family caring for him was very well off, but still.

Asherlee
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I mean you can't argue with that, Walker. I was almost in that same situation. My grandparents took me in, instead.

Freakenstein
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So it's either allow ALL children to be born where many will be added to an already-full orphanage, or we allow abortion to where less will be spared this fate. My choice is clear. I could go into the many moralities of this topic, but I'll spare you the humor; this is mainly what the topic concerns anyway.

Asherlee
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Well, when you break down the ethics of abortions, it isn't that black and white. You have several gray areas. The most important, as I see it, is the stage of development.

Personally, I think abortion is a sometimes viable and healthy choice for some women. However, when a woman wants a partial-birth abortion, I find this to be chalked full of moral dilemmas.

MRWalker82
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I'm in agreement with you there Ashlee. I do start to question the purpose of a late term abortion where the health of the fetus and/or mother are not risked. Fortunately the overwhelming majority of abortions occur prior to 21 weeks gestation, before the fetus has consciousness or the ability to feel pain.

These I don't mind, but when you wait until the fetus is conscious and can feel to abort, I question that very much. If the person didn't want the baby then they could have done something about it within the past 6 months, why wait until the fetus is nearly carried to term.

Asherlee
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Exactly, Walker.

To reiterate, if a woman wants a partial-birth abortion, she might as well birth the child and adopt it out. This is going to be very anti-Kantian of me, but she could use that baby as a means to end and do a personal adoption for a LOT of money.

GenLaden
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abortion is wrong.

Freakenstein
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Why?

Avorne
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Unless you're going to back up a point with reasons and/or evidence then don't make it - especially when you condense it into just 3 words.

crazyrussian97
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So to be clear, a fetus cannot feel pain until a certain point in gestation? Can I have some links because the question of whether it can feel pain or not is something I very much would like to know.

MRWalker82
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This is from the information I posted multiple times earlier in this thread. According to prenatal pediatrics the brain of the human fetus is incapable of consciousness or processing of pain until ~26 weeks gestation. I made a mistake earlier and said it was 21 weeks, my apologies.

Also, as you can see, less than 1% of all abortions in the US occur after 20 weeks. The data isn't clear as to how many of these fall between 20-26 weeks either, but I would posit that roughly 1/4 - 1/2 would fall in that time frame.

So with that we are looking at between 1% and 1/2 of 1% of all abortions performed in the US occur at a time when the fetus is actually conscious and capable of feeling pain.

13 weeks or 3 months: The fetus is about 3 inches long and weighs about an ounce. Fingernails and bones can be seen. Over 90% of all abortions are performed before this stage

26 weeks or 6 months: The fetus 14" long and almost two pounds. The lungs' bronchioles develop. Interlinking of the brain's neurons begins. The higher functions of the fetal brain turn on for the first time. Some rudimentary brain waves indicating consciousness can be detected. The fetus will probably be able to feel pain for the first time. It has become conscious of its surroundings. The fetus has become a sentient human life for the first time.

- Pediatrics, Wisconsin State University


1% of all abortions (16,450/yr.) happen after the 20th week of pregnancy.

- ReligiousTolerance.org
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