This topic is based upon your personal opinion on whether abortion is wrong or right. I personally believe that it is wrong, and have many reasons for it. You may challenge me if you wish, but please make sense!
Because with condoms and masturbation, already alive beings are not killed. They are only prevented. I would rather it be prevented than killed. Anything with its own cells are alive.
A sperm is living cell so we can say it's live.
From the moment a human starts to grow, it has sinful nature, but it has not done anything wrong. Therefore killing it is shedding innocent blood.
Objective morals don't exist. Saying that humans are born sinful then saying they haven't done anything comes across as being very contradicting. But as I pointed out above if this is the case then your God does far more "shedding of innocent blood" then all the doctors who have preformed abortions combined.
Killing animals or plants does not count as killing, because they are neither innocent nor guilty; therefore it is not killing innocent OR guilty life.
killing animals and planet isn't killing? you really need to stop contradicting yourself.
Plants and animals don't have sinful nature or innocence, so killing them is not wrong.
Then you never met my cat...E-V-I-L... But really this is all a subjective point, there are many would would considering killing an animal to be wrong. Some even consider it more wrong then killing another human.
From the moment a human starts to grow, it has sinful nature, but it has not done anything wrong. Therefore killing it is shedding innocent blood.
I just want to say to you, and anyone else with your religious ideas, your extreme indoctrination to christian bullshit just baffles me. I truly do feel sorry for you if you really have such a closed minded theistic outlook on humanity, life, and especially science. I hope that one day you open your eyes, and a science book.
Also - a sperm cell is it's own cell - therefore by your logic it is alive and therefore equatable to abortion on your scale of immorality.
You can't use logic and reason to debate someone who wholeheartedly believes in something illogical and unreasonable. That's why I've quit talking to that one.
I just want to say to you, and anyone else with your religious ideas, your extreme indoctrination to christian bull**** just baffles me. I truly do feel sorry for you if you really have such a closed minded theistic outlook on humanity, life, and especially science. I hope that one day you open your eyes, and a science book.
Everyone has their own opinion, dont go that low to bash it.
Abortion is a present thing, and i dont think that it being right or wrong is going to put an end to it. I think if your going to have an abortion why have the kid? We should be discussing ways to prevent unplanned pregnancy.
Everyone has their own opinion, dont go that low to bash it.
I have no problem with people having their own opinion. What I have a problem with is when that opinion is passed out as if it were fact and is used as a basis for laws and tries to impress upon everyone it's particular brand of morality. Especially when that 'morality' is illogical, bigoted, sexist, and hateful.
That its not a valid argument when only applied to this situation.
I'm... arguing..? But I suppose... well... How isn't it a valid argument.
As far as your links, you mean the organizations that donate millions to planned parenthood and friends every year? That would sure make sense to suggest that abortion and breast cancer aren't related.
I'm... arguing..? But I suppose... well... How isn't it a valid argument.
I should have worded that differently, what I meant was its an argument that can be applied to many other things, but if its truly a major point, you should use it against other things as well, not just 1 particular thing.
As far as your links, you mean the organizations that donate millions to planned parenthood and friends every year? That would sure make sense to suggest that abortion and breast cancer aren't related.
And the organization you linked to supports conservapedia, of course they would find a link that would support an anti-abortion view.
I have no problem with people having their own opinion. What I have a problem with is when that opinion is passed out as if it were fact and is used as a basis for laws and tries to impress upon everyone it's particular brand of morality. Especially when that 'morality' is illogical, bigoted, sexist, and hateful.
I understand why you think anti-abortion is illogical, but how on earth is it bigoted, sexist, and hateful...?
The theistic doctrine on which your particular debate against abortion is based is a notoriously bigoted, sexist, and hateful doctrine. Perhaps you should actually read the Bible in it's entirety. It's the best evidence AGAINST Christianity that there ever was.
Also, Walker, if you say that WE are forcing OUR opinion on others, that means YOU are forcing YOUR opinion on US.
I suppose it could be interpreted that way. I don't think that theistic doctrine should be the basis for law. I find that it is incredibly biased and closed minded and provides a skewed world view which is to the detriment of our species when applied to government, politics, and law. In that sense I suppose I am. I am attempting to force the opinion that your antiquated, bigoted, racist, fallible, contradictory doctrine has no place in modern law.
If you mean in the sense of Abortion then no - we aren't forcing our opinions on anybody. Why do you think it's called 'Pro-choice' we want their to be a choice to have an abortion - not a law stating you have to.
It's not right nor is it wrong. If you don't want a kid don't be an idiot. But there are plent of people out there who would gladly take your baby if you don't want it instead of having an abortion. But it can change and ruin your life going through those eightr or nine months. Sometimes abortion is just what needs to be done. ANd it's not murder and all that bull. It's not morally right though. It's just up to the mother. It's their child and their body. Their life.
