ForumsWEPRGoing Green Is No Longer A Choice... In Cleveland

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NoNameC68
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If you have not already left Cleveland, then get out now.

Chips will be installed inside your recycling bins and they will monitor how often you take your recycling to the street. If you go weeks without taking the crap to the curb, then an official will be sent to dig through your garbage, your WASTE, and fine you 100 dollars if they find materials that could have been recycled.

Let me say this again,you will be fined if you do not recycle.

The money to enforce this new law will come from the taxpayers. No matter what, if you live in Cleveland, your taxes will raise, and you will lose money on top of that if you don't recycle. You just can't win! There is no reward, only punishment. If you have never committed a crime, then understand that you will be treated like a criminal.

If you don't live in Cleveland, then you shouldn't have to worry. Just don't let this law take over your own home town!

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FinnDragon
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No matter if the law is supposed to help the planet, there's just some things you can't force.

Sadly but you are right
If you see an elderly person, you MUST hold the door open for them or you will be fined 50 dollars.

Oh well that sounds really stupid...Like you have to go to work, then see a elderly person, you need to wait that him/her walk to you and open the door and that time what you takes to do thant you get late to work...
Uh really weird and useless law.
NoNameC68
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Oh well that sounds really stupid...Like you have to go to work, then see a elderly person, you need to wait that him/her walk to you and open the door and that time what you takes to do thant you get late to work...
Uh really weird and useless law.


To be fair, it's not actually going to become a law, just an idea.

Suppose research is done and violence is linked to rap music, would you support a law that made it illegal to listen to rap?

What would you do if the government began planting chips in babies to make sure they aren't being fed junk food? Would you support such a law?

I can understand that it is illegal to litter, but throwing your trash away isn't littering, and it shouldn't be treated as the same thing.

Recycling is expensive and costs more money than it does to create a brand new product. Metal is the only exception. It's easier to make paper out of trees than to take recycled paper and make a product out of that.

Have you ever tried to buy a green product? They are more expensive than the fresh products.
BenTheBozer
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What would you do if the government made it illegal to smoke inside all public ar... oh wait... that's already a stupid law in many different locations!

How is this stupid? Not everyone wants to smoke your cigeratte and second hand smoke kills.

NoNameC68
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How is this stupid? Not everyone wants to smoke your cigeratte and second hand smoke kills.


Can you provide me with the data that supports this statement?
SirNoobalot
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Can you provide me with the data that supports this statement?

oh really!
quite a few links here! ( hopefully they work)
How it affects babies/children
General dangers of second hand smoke, different source
More on secondhand smoke....
how it causes Cancer
how it affects asthma

enough???
HahiHa
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How is this stupid? Not everyone wants to smoke your cigeratte and second hand smoke kills.

Can you provide me with the data that supports this statement?

Can't provide the data, but I know there is (yeah stupid argument) anyway put it like that: second hand smoking doesn't have to kill, just like smoking doesn't have to kill, but it rises the risk for heart and lung diseases almost as much as does smoking. This is actually a very good law (also I can't stand cigarette smoke....)

Concerning the law in Cleveland I think this is plain stupid and dangerous, really.. it's one step closer to everyone having to have a chip implanted and being controlled 24/24. So do me a favour and don't allow such things.. recycling is a good thing and people should be habituated to recycle, but there are many better ways to do so.
SirNoobalot
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Suppose research is done and violence is linked to rap music, would you support a law that made it illegal to listen to rap?


they've already done studies linking Country music to suicide. so why not ban Country? yet so many people like it, and i doubt anyone there gaf about or knows of that study.
NoNameC68
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How it affects babies/children

Can not find sources.

General dangers of second hand smoke, different source

In 1993 the EPA (United States Environmental Protection Agency), reported that passive smoking is responsible
for 3000 lung cancer deaths of nonsmokers every year.


This is the primary source used to support that secondhand smoke raises the risk of cancer. This study was thrown out in a 1998 court decision stating:

EPA's study selection is disturbing. First, there is evidence in the record supporting the accusation that EPA "cherry picked" its data.


More on secondhand smoke....

Secondhand smoke is known to cause cancer. It has been classified as a "known human carcinogen" by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).


Are they referring to the same 1993 study that was thrown out in court?

how it causes Cancer

Although it does not use the 1993 study as a source, I believe some of their sources do use the study. I will have to dig around even more at a later time.

how it affects asthma


I will have to do further research to figure out where they are making these claims. However, smoke in general is bad for people who have asthma. Regardless, if you are concerned about your childs health, don't take them into places where smoking is allowed. If your child is allergic to peanut butter, you can't go to a restaurant and demand they stop selling anything that contains peanuts.

In short, many studies refer to the 1993 study, the same study that was considered biased and deemed unfit as evidence.

Maybe there are some other studies that were made that are more reliable. I wouldn't doubt it, but as far as I'm concerned, second hand smoke isn't as dangerous as the media makes it sound.

Even if secondhand smoke is as bad as they say it is, which it's obviously not good, then I still do not support making it illegal to smoke inside restaurants. It should only be illegal if the owner of the restaurant puts a sign up that says NO SMOKING. There's no excuse at all to force bars to enforce this law when people who go to bars could care less about smoking.
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Being angry that you are being "forced" to go green is like saying you are angry that they passed a law enforcing the breathing of air.

Stop being stupid.

Love,

Klaus

NoNameC68
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Being angry that you are being "forced" to go green is like saying you are angry that they passed a law enforcing the breathing of air.


Then they will tell you what kind of air you are and are not allowed to breath, and they'll make it illegal to breath helium.

Do you understand? They will have the power to make it illegal to make funny voices, just because they got their foot in the door by making it illegal not to breath.

Case and point.

Stop being stupid.
BenTheBozer
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There is a point between making funny voices and killing yourself. The Government is just trying to protect the people.

NoNameC68
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There is a point between making funny voices and killing yourself. The Government is just trying to protect the people.


99 people inhale helium and have fun.

1 person inhales too much helium and dies.

Should it be illegal?

In that case, cars, pencils, guns, alcohol, fattening foods, sodas, prescription drugs, house cleaners, knives, work out equipment, tractors, swimming pools, trampolines, stairways, and soap, should all be made illegal.
woody_7007
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Meh. A mite of your personal freedom to further destroy the planet sacrificed versus a healthier future for everyone.

99 people inhale helium and have fun.

1 person inhales too much helium and dies.


Poor analogy. Pretty much everyone in america uses far more resources than they need to. Giving them a helping hand recycling isnt part of some 1984 conspiracy to keep tabs on everyone. There needs to be a balance between freedoms and social responsibility. If you think this law is wrong, where do you draw the line?
HahiHa
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The problem is not that you shouldn't recycle, recycling is good and like I said we should get habituated to do so. The problem is: don't plant those ****ing chips where they don't belong! Think of a better way to improve recycling, and leave people decide when they want to go on a holiday or not.

NoNameC68
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Poor analogy. Pretty much everyone in america uses far more resources than they need to. Giving them a helping hand recycling isnt part of some 1984 conspiracy to keep tabs on everyone. There needs to be a balance between freedoms and social responsibility. If you think this law is wrong, where do you draw the line?


Recycling is already BS. It's a great idea, but it's costly, it pollutes just as much as throwing trash in land fills, and it's over all -- unreliable. Metals are the only thing worth recycling.

That being said, you shouldn't force people to recycle, especially when recycling is at such an unreliable stage. If you're in the recycling business, you need to find ways to become more reliable. If the government forces everyone to recycle, then the recycling businesses have no incentive to improve.

We have already spent billions of dollars on recycling, that should have been a good enough of a start to figuring out a reliable way to recycle.

Now, even if recycling did work in a reliable fashion, it shouldn't be forced on the citizens until there is reliable evidence that there will be ecological problems that effect the earth, wild life, and human being, in the near future. When I say near future, I mean we have hundred and hundreds of years before it will even become a problem.

If recycling was reliable, I wouldn't be nearly as bothered by such a law.
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