ForumsWEPRGoing Green Is No Longer A Choice... In Cleveland

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NoNameC68
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If you have not already left Cleveland, then get out now.

Chips will be installed inside your recycling bins and they will monitor how often you take your recycling to the street. If you go weeks without taking the crap to the curb, then an official will be sent to dig through your garbage, your WASTE, and fine you 100 dollars if they find materials that could have been recycled.

Let me say this again,you will be fined if you do not recycle.

The money to enforce this new law will come from the taxpayers. No matter what, if you live in Cleveland, your taxes will raise, and you will lose money on top of that if you don't recycle. You just can't win! There is no reward, only punishment. If you have never committed a crime, then understand that you will be treated like a criminal.

If you don't live in Cleveland, then you shouldn't have to worry. Just don't let this law take over your own home town!

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Drace
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Again Noname, can I have the source on that law in Cleveland?

NoNameC68
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SirNoobalot
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whats so wrong with recycling >.>

@ NoName:

how is recycling not reliable? it is just using what would otherwise sit forgotten used for much needed material to feed the demand..... plus plastic doesn't biodegrade, or at least an incredibly slow rate, in the process releasing deadly chemicals,making it a top to remove from a landfill >.>

To top it all off, you can gain energy from landfills. Sure, it's a limited process, but at least we are taking advantage of what we can get. After a landfill is full, it is topped off and monitored. If you flew over a topped off landfill, you wouldn't even notice it was there.


yes, but thats only with biodegradable material. anaerobic bacteria eat and break down this material, producing methane in the process, which powers the power thing... but not everything there is able to be decomposed, so why not remove it to increase the efficiency of this 'ower source'.
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I'll be honest, I don't find much of a problem with the new law. Although I do have a problem with the fine, you should be given some amount of warnings before you're penalized. Although I don't think there should be a reward either, you're doing something that is doing both you and the planet good, shouldn't that be a reward in its self?

And as the article states, Cleveland isn't the first city to implement this system.

However methinks that a law such as this one, would have more effect in metropolises such as New York, Tokyo, Shanghai, Mumbai, Moscow, etc.

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Tokyo, Shanghai, Mumbai, Moscow, etc.

I wouldn't rip on tokyo for it considering they don't have the space for landfills
Kyouzou
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I'm talking about the recycling law, Japan in general doesn't have much room for landfills methinks.

NoNameC68
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how is recycling not reliable?


I explained all this.

it is just using what would otherwise sit forgotten used for much needed material to feed the demand.....


1. Most "green" goods made from recyclables are over priced.
2. You are still creating pollution when you transport, sort, refine, and recreate recycled goods. Not only do you create pollution, but it's also very costly.
3. There is little demand for recycled goods.

The exceptions are metals and glass.

plus plastic doesn't biodegrade, or at least an incredibly slow rate, in the process releasing deadly chemicals,making it a top to remove from a landfill >.>


You do understand that there's a difference between throwing plastic in the middle of the woods and throwing it into a land fill right?

Landfills are lined with thick layers of clay and lining, which means the chemicals and trash are very low threat to anyone. You have better chances of being eaten by land sharks than finding landfill chemicals in your water.

The only real problem with landfills is that they take up space. That is a problem, but recycling isn't the solution, at least, it wont be until it's more reliable, which it isn't.

yes, but thats only with biodegradable material. anaerobic bacteria eat and break down this material, producing methane in the process, which powers the power thing... but not everything there is able to be decomposed, so why not remove it to increase the efficiency of this 'ower source'.


Because landfills are places to remove garbage, not create energy. The energy is just a happy bi product from landfills.

Before you make any more comments, please read my posts. I will have likely already answered your question.

I'll be honest, I don't find much of a problem with the new law.


I addressed some of the issues.

Although I don't think there should be a reward either,you're doing something that is doing both you and the planet good, shouldn't that be a reward in its self?


No, because self gratification should never be offered as a reward from someone else. If you're going to reward someone, it must be through the physical realm, not a mental one.

However methinks that a law such as this one, would have more effect in metropolises such as New York, Tokyo, Shanghai, Mumbai, Moscow, etc.


Not if the laws bankrupted those cities.

Recycling is payed for through taxes. Recycling is unreliable. Why pay taxes for an unreliable system?

And as the article states, Cleveland isn't the first city to implement this system.


I understand, but this is the first time I heard about this law. Just because other cities implemented this law doesn't mean the law does justice.
benman113
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not saying you shouldn't recycle but it's like getting fined for not washing your car

NoNameC68
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Here's a link talking about recycling laws in Sweden.

Sounds like a total pain in the butt if you ask me.

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I didn't read the whole thread but did anyone mention that CLEVELAND SUCKS! Despite the saying being old it still holds up even today. Also, how are they proposing to pay for all the monitors, employees and vehicles to enforce it? It just seems like they could spend all that money to fix some of the innumerable reasons why Cleveland sucks.

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