ForumsWEPRDebate: The Freedom to Smoke Tobacco.

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Pertokeyo
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Smoking tobacco is a worldwide pastime.

It stems from the original use of tobacco as a theorised healthy leaf that used to be chewed on for leisure or used as incense in rituals. Today we are all aware of the risks associated with such a plant.

Smoking is a tiresome addiction that provides unusual false satisfaction to the brain and costs individuals thousands of pounds/dollars a year. There is also minor support from research to suggest that second hand smoke also causes severe damage to those who may or may not be willing to inhail it.

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My late mother was a serious smoker. The room where she spent most of her time in slowly turned from a wonderful white to a sludgy yellow. When adding up the cost of the 20+ cigarettes she was smoking each day the maths come to approximately £5 x 365 = £1825. That's the cost of two macs/one jet ski or fifty full priced console games.

Now legislation (with variations around the world) has begun to promote laws to reduce the necessity of non smokers to become exposed to second hand smoke. These laws range from total bans in public places such as the Vatican City to unenforced minor laws like they have in Germany.

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This debate is about whether or not you feel that smoking matters to you, and what conditions should be put on smokers when smoking in public places.

Is it right for the government to draw up and enforce laws to prevent innocent children from being subjected to their parents' smoke in cars, or should the government not get involved because these are human rights?

Are you a smoker? What effect does the biological desire to smoke have on you and your family? How should the law be fair and just for you? Is there enough help and guidance to quit smoking in your area?

Do you think that smoking is dying out on a global scale or do you believe that this legislation will eventually become ineffective?

Answers from many countries are welcome, including any insight into your personal experiences.

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Hypermnestra
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Links are nice so people can see what you're talking about.
You forgot to mention that carbon monoxide is also toxic.

Smoking is a tiresome addiction that provides unusual false satisfaction to the brain and costs individuals thousands of pounds/dollars a year. There is also minor support from research to suggest that second hand smoke also causes severe damage to those who may or may not be willing to inhail it.

False satisfaction is a bit of a misnomer. It does provide a satisfactory soothing element, and here I think you mean "false" as in chemical, but that really doesn't matter, as everything you feel is chemical(the reactions in your brain). Therefore, the feeling is manufactured, but that doesn't mean it's not genuine.
Actually, on average people spend less than a thousand dollars a year on smoking. It's more like $200-$500 a year here in the States. Granted, I don't have the stats on the U.K. but I am going to assume that people don't spend too much more on cigarettes there. If that assumption is incorrect, don't jump on me. I was just assuming, it's not a part of my argument.

My late mother was a serious smoker. The room where she spent most of her time in slowly turned from a wonderful white to a sludgy yellow. When adding up the cost of the 20+ cigarettes she was smoking each day the maths come to approximately ã5 x 365 = ã1825. That's the cost of two macs/one jet ski or fifty full priced console games.

Is this a true story, or did you just make it up?
And dang, 20 cigarettes a day man. Is that even possible? Otherwise this is a bit...irrelevant. Not that it's not related to the subject, I'm just saying, this goes against most of the facts and whatnot, it's just to drive the point home.
Also; sorry dude.

Is it right for the government to draw up and enforce laws to prevent innocent children from being subjected to their parents' smoke in cars, or should the government not get involved because these are human rights?

People are going to smoke when there's people around no matter what. If it's in their car, not in a public place, then sure, let them puff away. I'm not saying it's human rights, I'm saying they're going to do it anyway. So make it legal. It's the person's choice whether or not they want to smoke with their kids around, and if they choose to do so, then the government can't do much about it. I think limitations on smoking in public places is a good idea, and limitations on smoking in restaraunts and business is up to the business. But smoking in their own house, in their own car, whatever, that's the smoker's choice whether or not they want to do that.

Are you a smoker? What effect does the biological desire to smoke have on you and your family? How should the law be fair and just for you? Is there enough help and guidance to quit smoking in your area?

I'm far too young to be a smoker, but my dad was. He quit four or five years ago.

Do you think that smoking is dying out on a global scale or do you believe that this legislation will eventually become ineffective?

Smoking is not dying out, and it will never die out. The legislation's effectiveness depends on how well it is enforced. As long as smoking exists, laws limiting it will. The legislation will be in place, and it will be useful, as long as smoking exists, and it always will.
nevetsthereaper
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lol, they don't put that into cigs, those are the chemicals released in the reaction when you burn the tobacco/nicotine.
really, ive been a smoker for four years, and i can say, its all about moderation, you can let your self smoke more and more, getting up to 1, or even 2 or even 3 packs a day, but if you have a little self control, you can control it. now i was wondering if either of you smoke, or are old enough to smoke?? seems like not your place to judge.

Pertokeyo
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Hypermnestra: Links are nice so people can see what you're talking about.


Just to clarify clearly in case you missed the title, the topic is about The Freedom to Smoke Tobacco.

The debate can indulge on the questions i've noted but this can be free flowing, and general if preferred. It would be of great interest to hear about personal experiences.

You forgot to mention that carbon monoxide is also toxic.


The first large picture says carbon monoxide. It is one of the three deadly components of cigarettes and causes a wide range of negative health issues.

It does provide a satisfactory soothing element, and here I think you mean "false" as in chemical, but that really doesn't matter, as everything you feel is chemical(the reactions in your brain).


I was referring to the addiction. The addiction is not a true biological need because it can never be fully satisfied nor is it necessary.

Is this a true story, or did you just make it up?
And dang, 20 cigarettes a day man. Is that even possible? Otherwise this is a bit...irrelevant. Not that it's not related to the subject, I'm just saying, this goes against most of the facts and whatnot, it's just to drive the point home.


I'm slightly startled by this question - of course I didn't make this up. This is a real account of my mother who died five years ago due to a heart condition possibly related to smoking.

Also it's pointless to even begin to generalise this one story into global facts. Everybody has different smoking patterns and levels of addiction. My mother just tended to have a strong addiction.

But smoking in their own house, in their own car, whatever, that's the smoker's choice whether or not they want to do that.


So if you're saying it should be legal for a mother to smoke in a car next to a toddler who cannot comprehend the dangers then let's make it legal to use children as footrests and household slaves. Let's show no consideration to them when blasting loud music from our disco speakers or storing dangerous chemicals in ground cupboards.

I'm far too young to be a smoker, but my dad was. He quit four or five years ago.


Congratulations for your dad. My mother tried once and failed. My stepmother gave up smoking but for some unknown reason she started again. Nicotine causes huge levels of biological stress when breaking the habit.

Smoking is not dying out, and it will never die out. The legislation's effectiveness depends on how well it is enforced. As long as smoking exists, laws limiting it will. The legislation will be in place, and it will be useful, as long as smoking exists, and it always will.


What causes smoking in the first place? If that can be targeted then people will eventually stop smoking all together because there is no benefit to starting it.

nevetsthereaper: now i was wondering if either of you smoke, or are old enough to smoke?? seems like not your place to judge.


I am old enough to smoke, and I've seen underage teenagers smoking in groups. Laws don't always affect the determined.
deserteagle
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It's your own fault for killing yourself. As long I don't inhale your carcinogens, I don't care if you smoke 3 cartons a day.

benman113
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It's your own fault for killing yourself. As long I don't inhale your carcinogens, I don't care if you smoke 3 cartons a day.

exactly
samy
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It's your right to smoke it and it's my right to not have to inhale it in a public place. What you do in your home is your business but I'm allfor banning smoking in locations such as restaurant, hotels, bowling alleys, etc.

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It's your right to smoke it and it's my right to not have to inhale it in a public place. What you do in your home is your business but I'm allfor banning smoking in locations such as restaurant, hotels, bowling alleys, etc.

Thats already going on were I live, basically you have to step outside to smoke.
samy
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Thats already going on were I live, basically you have to step outside to smoke.


Yes sir. I throughly enjoy it too. That is to say the cleaner air.
benman113
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Yes sir. I throughly enjoy it too. That is to say the cleaner air.

It was a good compromise for sure so I don't see smoking as a really big problem
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If you want to smoke, fine, slowly kill yourself but thats not my problem. I think that smoking inside public areas should be banned in all areas, and that you can't smoke near children because of secondhand smoke. Quick Link of the dangers of secondhand smoke. So you can become very sick because of smoke when you never smoked in your life.

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Smoking is totally up to the person who wants to smoke; it's their choice. With those that want to quit smoking, there are programs and fun tablets/pills to help quit the addiction. It was a big problem back then, when there wasn't a sort of therapy to help stop the cravings, but now there is. If you want to smoke, it's your right; if you want to quit, we got the stuff to help you do so.

We cannot totally ban smoking. We can only ban it where it is detrimental to others' health, e.g. restaurants, amusement parks, airports, yadda yadda. 100% banning smoking will remove a right and promote bootlegging of tobacco. Yes, I realize it is harmful over time. If we didn't have methods besides cold turkey, I would be leaning more towards a full ban myself. But since we do, it's totally up to the person. Some people have pretty stressful lives. If they want to smoke to calm them down, then let them. If they want to stop, we got ways.

nevetsthereaper
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smoking is illegal in public places, atleast here in oregon,idaho, cali, and washington. u just have to be on city property

Hypermnestra
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Just to clarify clearly in case you missed the title, the topic is about The Freedom to Smoke Tobacco.

Rofl.
I suppose this is my fault, I misspoke. What I meant was not that people might misunderstand the topic, but that your arguments would be supported. Just talking is weak, in a debate you should always link out to the source where you got your information.
The debate can indulge on the questions i've noted but this can be free flowing, and general if preferred. It would be of great interest to hear about personal experiences.

Kay. I was used to smoke when I was younger, I didn't care about it as much, but now I cough every time I come near the stuff. Hate it.

The first large picture says carbon monoxide. It is one of the three deadly components of cigarettes and causes a wide range of negative health issues.

Again, you'll have to excuse me. I misunderstood the picture(this is part of why we link, for some context). I thought it was just of the components of the cigarette, and not the potential poisons. Carbon monoxide had no subtitle, so naturally I thought that meant the pic was saying it was not poisonous.

I was referring to the addiction. The addiction is not a true biological need because it can never be fully satisfied nor is it necessary.

This is applicable to several other things separate from addiction, but I see where you are coming from here.

I'm slightly startled by this question - of course I didn't make this up. This is a real account of my mother who died five years ago due to a heart condition possibly related to smoking.

I'm sorry if I offended you or something with the question...but this is the internet, after all.

Also it's pointless to even begin to generalise this one story into global facts. Everybody has different smoking patterns and levels of addiction. My mother just tended to have a strong addiction.

I would think that you would just want to set things up with some information then go into stories about it. I did not mean for you to generalize your story, I meant for you to, you know, post facts that are applicable to everybody instead of just your one story.

So if you're saying it should be legal for a mother to smoke in a car next to a toddler who cannot comprehend the dangers then let's make it legal to use children as footrests and household slaves. Let's show no consideration to them when blasting loud music from our disco speakers or storing dangerous chemicals in ground cupboards.

You are misrepresenting the case. Household slavery of children is child labor and slavery, that's wrong and illegal. Footrests, that just makes no sense(although you're just using it as an example). They differ from the case at hand in that they can be prevented. Smoking in public places is wrong, smoking in restaraunts and businesses is wrong, but if they can't smoke in their own home, where are they going to smoke? Do you want them to drive all the way out to the middle of nowhere just to smoke a cigarette? I understand your point, but I'm saying that this sort of thing is unpreventable, and that to smoke around your children is your choice. You can just go outside to smoke, and that would be fine if your kids are indoors. You can crack a window in your car and that would make it so that the smoke does not stay in the car. Yes, smoking(including secondhand smoke) will decrease your lifespan, but it is the parents' decision whether or not they smoke around their children and it should not be illegalized. Is it wrong? Yes. Should it happen? No. Should it be illegal? No, because it would just be Prohibition all over again. Do you see what I'm saying, here?

Congratulations for your dad. My mother tried once and failed. My stepmother gave up smoking but for some unknown reason she started again. Nicotine causes huge levels of biological stress when breaking the habit.

Yeah, my dad said it felt like his skin was crawling and his lungs were burning. He had to have a straw with him at all times, and he would just pull it out and breathe in it for a few minutes whenever he got the urge to smoke. Once he actually turned back home from work when he forgot his straw because he needed the thing.

What causes smoking in the first place? If that can be targeted then people will eventually stop smoking all together because there is no benefit to starting it.

What causes smoking? Curiosity and peer pressure, I suppose. But you can never eradicate those things, you're being a bit idealistic and not realistic. Smoking is inevitable in this world, the only thing you can do is not to do it yourself. Once you start smoking, it's very difficult to stop.
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My perspective is that smoking is a nasty, nasty habit. However, privately owned businesses should not be forced to preclude smoking on premises by governmental edict. A business owner should be allowed to decide if he/she wants to allow smoking or not, and the post signs clearly stating the smoking policy.

In this manner, people who do not want to be exposed to cigarette smoke can avoid smoking allowed establishments, and people who do smoke can do so without fear of offending other patrons. Similarly, people who do not want to be exposed to smoke can choose not to work in a smoking allowed establishment, and can seek employment in places where no smoking is the rule.

Government buildings and other public structures should be regulated by the appropriate governing body, be it city, state, or federal. I would approve a no smoking policy in government buildings like schools, post offices, government offices, etc.

nevetsthereaper
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so, you want to segregate the people that do something you don't like?

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