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Evidence? Paintings, drawings/sketchings, stories with much detail, figurines, and a full set of measurements, all concerning spaceships. Plus a helluva a lot more.

I'm just saying, you're dismissing something you don't have knowledge about. Sounds familiar, really.

Here is what is convincing to me that something we don't know or understand lent a metaphorical hand:

1. Puma Punku - Located in the Bolivian highlands, Puma Punku is a field of stone ruins scattered with giant, finely carved blocks. Such precise workmanship on a massive scale would have been nearly impossible without modern tools and machines, yet the ruins are more than 1,000 years old. Ancient alien theorists have hypothesized that extraterrestrials with advanced engineering techniques created the site or advised the people who built it.


2. Pascal's Sarcophagus - Pacal the Great ruled over the Mayan city of Palenque, in what is now southern Mexico, during the seventh century. Upon his death, he was buried inside a pyramid called the Temple of Inscriptions. The intricately carved lid of his sarcophagus has become a classic work of Mayan artâ"and an oft-cited piece of evidence for ancient alien theorists. In their view, Pacal is pictured in a spaceship during takeoff, with his hand on a control panel, his foot on a pedal and an oxygen tube in his mouth.



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I, for one, have to admit these things are a bit odd.

Sure it's odd but certainly not convicting evidence.

Holt, you're jumping into the middle of the discussion.

The point I was making is that HaHiHa immediately dismisses notions without adequate knowledge. It really doesn't even have anything to do with the notions being sound or not. It's the principal.

Now, I am in no way saying I believe aliens visited our planet. I'm just saying that there are a number of instances that I can't decide which side of the fence it belongs on.

Well I am not necesarily entering into youre discussion I am just saying what I think about them.

Puma Punku - Located in the Bolivian highlands, Puma Punku is a field of stone ruins scattered with giant, finely carved blocks. Such precise workmanship on a massive scale would have been nearly impossible without modern tools and machines, yet the ruins are more than 1,000 years old. Ancient alien theorists have hypothesized that extraterrestrials with advanced engineering techniques created the site or advised the people who built it.

2. Pascal's Sarcophagus - Pacal the Great ruled over the Mayan city of Palenque, in what is now southern Mexico, during the seventh century. Upon his death, he was buried inside a pyramid called the Temple of Inscriptions. The intricately carved lid of his sarcophagus has become a classic work of Mayan artâ�"and an oft-cited piece of evidence for ancient alien theorists. In their view, Pacal is pictured in a spaceship during takeoff, with his hand on a control panel, his foot on a pedal and an oxygen tube in his mouth.

The large carved stone sarcophagus lid in the Temple of Inscriptions is a famous piece of Classic Maya art. The widely accepted interpretation of the sarcophagus lid is that Pakal is descending into Xibalba, the Maya underworld. Around the edges of the lid are glyphs representing the Sun, the Moon, Venus, and various constellations, locating this event in the nighttime sky. Below him is the Maya water god, who guards the underworld. Beneath Pakal are the "unfolded" jaws of a dragon or serpent, which Pakal is escaping from, ascending towards the world tree. This is a common iconographic representation of the entrance to the underworld. Other examples of this imagery are found in sculpture on Monument 1 "El Rey" and Monument 9 at the Olmec site of Chalcatzingo, Morelos, on Altar 4 at the Olmec site of La Venta, Tabasco, and in recently discovered murals at the Late Preclassic Maya site of San Bartolo, Guatemala.

I consider myself an athiest yet I have had a couple paranormal experiences. Really freaked me out. But oddly enough the experience never made me consider that there was a god. hmmph?

I consider myself an athiest yet I have had a couple paranormal experiences.

Personally I am an atheist because of my skeptical nature. When something occurs, or is told to have occurred, which has no immediate cause I am compelled to research it and look for explanations and other possibilities.

This applies also with the paranormal activities people claim to experience. I have personally had several 'experiences' which could be attributed to the supernatural or paranormal, however after researching them and looking for alternative causes I have invariably found that other, less outrageous, explanations could be applicable.

While I may never know for sure the exact cause of some of these I can say with great certainty that the least plausible explanations involve ghosts and magic. Having heard many other people's stories I have also seen that there are multitude possibilities which could have caused these 'henomena' and again, none are as outrageous or unlikely as supernatural forces.

While I cannot say with certainty that paranormal stories (i.e. ghosts, UFO's, etc.) are completely false or completely impossible, after looking at many of them I have found that the probability of a simpler, decidedly natural explanation, is the most likely.

My views are very close to yours, Walker. I am a skeptical person by nature. However, I won't dismiss things entirely, because we really just do not have all the knowledge to make that kind of judgment.


Now, switching gears a bit. Have you ever noticed that MOST (not all) of the people that become possessed, have a demon enter them, etc are all Christians...? And remarkably it takes Christian ritual rights to do away with the evil. Very odd...

Have you ever noticed that MOST (not all) of the people that become possessed, have a demon enter them, etc are all Christians...? And remarkably it takes Christian ritual rights to do away with the evil. Very odd...

Ok Ash, you made a point. I have to leave the benefit of doubt to all theories that haven't been directly proved wrong. I still think that any 'aranormal' thing has a simple and logic explanation behind it, and that the chance of it actually being paranormal is ridiculously small. But I won't dismiss completely.

One of the reasons I'm so skeptic about things is because I know that if we look for something, we're sure to find something that satisfies our own hypothesis, and are prone to making the mistake of not looking further behind things. The pictures you posted for example; sure it's odd, but are there any other theories about those, or is the ancient alien thing the only one they have come up with?

Now, switching gears a bit. Have you ever noticed that MOST (not all) of the people that become possessed, have a demon enter them, etc are all Christians...? And remarkably it takes Christian ritual rights to do away with the evil. Very odd...

The pictures you posted for example; sure it's odd, but are there any other theories about those, or is the ancient alien thing the only one they have come up with?

@Mage:A lost technique? You do realize of course, that said technique would have to be far superiour to the technology that we have now? And what about moving these giant blocks? Some of them way so much that it would take several of our heaviest-lifting machinery to lift them, and that's modern technology. @Asherlee:I find the whole possession thing to be rather stupid, and don't believe a word of it myself.

And what about moving these giant blocks? Some of them way so much that it would take several of our heaviest-lifting machinery to lift them, and that's modern technology.