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Devoidless
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The topic says it all.

Why do governments feel the need to make drugs illegal? If anything, it causes a lot more problems than there were before. If they were legalized, there would not be nearly as many violent actions over getting them since the prices would not be nearly as high. There would not been as many people over doing it with drugs, since it would eventually just become a normal thing in day-to-day life.

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crimsonblade55
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@necromancer,ok I posted that at comment at 3:00 am.The last thing I was concerned about was my punctuation at that time.

@ WeeMan, even though it may not really matter.The original reason that the government banned Marijuana, was to control uprisers(hippies)that smoked Marijuana, and protested against the Vietnam War.I remember learning this on the history channel,awhile ago.

@ rugrast, Do you really think that it would stop violence all together over drugs. and that it would help our economy overall.Heres my theory.If they make drugs legal then there will be more money spent on drugs,but also more spent on Anti-Drug Advertisements.The thing is we get some money, we lose some money.Although my logic about that could be wrong.Another thing is that people will be less violent.Thats like saying that when we got rid of prohibition, that there would be no drunk drivers, or considerably less of them.Also people smoke cigerettes just to rebel.The only difference is there are alot more of them, because its legal.Rebelling doesn't have to be illegal.It sometimes just has to be against your parents wishes.If they made Marijuana legal it would only give those rebels, a better reason to smoke pot.

WeeMan147
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Drugs will never be legal in the United States of America. They will only keep adding to the list of drugs that are illegal to use. No matter your reason for legalizing it, it doesn't matter. No Congress, Democratic or Republican, will ever be the ones to legalize drugs. Never. There really isn't much more to add to this thread, it's pretty much finished.

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two things,listen closly.THE ONLY REASON DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL IS BECUASE THE GOVERNMENT CANT MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT,and secondly,HOW DARE ANYONE SUPPORT THE LEGALIZATION OF DRUGS!anyone who uses drugs can go **** off!

WeeMan147
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two things,listen closly.THE ONLY REASON DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL IS BECUASE THE GOVERNMENT CANT MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT,and secondly,HOW DARE ANYONE SUPPORT THE LEGALIZATION OF DRUGS!anyone who uses drugs can go **** off!


That is not necessary sushihair. We can all talk about this in a civilized manner. Please everyone ignore his post. Let's not start flaming. Please!
sushihair
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i apoligize,i just hate drugs.

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@Weeman147(12:18)- Modest regulation and competitive free markets wold hurt the drug dealers. For example, we could require licenses and as they must then pay income taxes, the money could be tracked. Furthermore, they could be required to include surgeon general's warning like cigarettes. Free markets would also damage drug dealer's business, consider this; heroin on the street costs upwards of one-hundred dollars, to actually produce and ship it (if on a large freighter, since if legal that would be cheaper), only costs a little more than one dollar. If the guy at the gas station sells it for five dollars, so to must the drug dealer, effectively reducing his profits by a factor of twenty. Also note than with sufficient warnings the customer base would shrink, note that in Amsterdam (where it is legal) there are less continuous drug users.
Another thing to note is that the US economy would benefit. The government wastes 6 billion dollars a year catching drug users and several billion more incarcerating them. Overall 130 billion is spent on drugs in the US, if legalized prices would drop allowing users to spend more in other areas benefiting the economy and the owners of gas stations and stores that sell drugs would profit, while gangs decline and the people in them get real jobs.

@Weeman147(12:25)-
Prohibition is an excellent example. Marijuana was widely used in the late 60's; in 1971, Nixon officially declared a war on drugs. The Daniel Act of 1956 started it but JFK and LBJ didn't enforce it. There was also outrage at the earlier Marijuana Tax Act of 1936 which said that marijuana could only be sold with certain tax stamps, however, they never actually distributed stamps.

@Crimsonblade55- Good thing you didn't point out that the periods in my response were not in the quotation marks. lol :P

@WeeMan147(2:34)- Democrats will legalize medical marijuana. However, you just gave a good reason to vote either Libertarian or Marijuana Party.

@sushihair- I don't get it. If the only reason is to allow the government officials to get dirty money from the pharmaceutical companies as it seems you are claiming, why are you against legalization. Second, HOW DARE ANYONE OPPOSE LEGALIZATION OF DRUGS, THEY HATE FREEDOM, THEY MUST THEREFORE GO CRAWL IN A HOLE AND DIE! lol. Please don't use caps lock, its really annoying, you also need to say why you think legalization is bad.

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legalization is bad becuase,well,how cant you see why not?the crime rates go up,wars have been started because of drugs,and people have wasted their lives doing drugs.

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The government wastes 6 billion dollars a year catching drug users and several billion more incarcerating them. Overall 130 billion is spent on drugs in the US, if legalized prices would drop allowing users to spend more in other areas benefiting the economy and the owners of gas stations and stores that sell drugs would profit, while gangs decline and the people in them get real jobs.


Good point! So we will stop wasting money on things that help people so we can save money. Fire all the police, firefighters, and doctors so that we wont have to spend money on hospitals. Maybe now I can get a plasma television! /sarcasm

You think legalizing drugs would result in a free market? You think drug dealers would just say that it's alright for everyone to sell it and leave it at that. The gas station would NOT sell any of the drugs because that means that the government would have to make the drugs, which they will not do. The government is busy enough trying to regulate important things, like the 301 million people that live in the United States of America!

Yeah, I gave a good reason to vote either Libertarian or Marijuana Party. Those parties are so big and play a massive role in the political world of today, oh wait, I forgot those parties are where the candidates who can't make it in the Democratic and Republican go. If the Democrats legalize medical marijuana it will only be for a short while, like the other several times it was legal only to become illegal again.
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[quote]I think that if all drugs were legalized the crime rate would go down.[/qoute]

Well if murdering was legal the crime rates would go down too

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i didn't mean to quote the second sentence, that was me.

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@WeeMan147- Police and firefighters are some of the few things a government should have, they protect people from others infringing ontheir rights. Hospitals are private organizations and the government should leave them be.
How is the drug dealer going to stop others from selling? Coercion, then the other seller can keep a shotgun under the counter and inform the police, the drug dealer can't stop him from selling.

The gas station would NOT sell any of the drugs because that means that the government would have to make the drugs, which they will not do. The government is busy enough trying to regulate important things, like the 301 million people that live in the United States of America!

Huh? Why would the government have to produce the drugs, the FDA need only make sure that the product is kosher, (not having Drano added to make it cheaper) and that it has warnings. Umm... The way you phrased that makes you sound almost communistic, "regulating people," in general though the government should do less regulation so it doesn't need to tax as much.

Yeah, I gave a good reason to vote either Libertarian or Marijuana Party. Those parties are so big and play a massive role in the political world of today, oh wait, I forgot those parties are where the candidates who can't make it in the Democratic and Republican go. If the Democrats legalize medical marijuana it will only be for a short while, like the other several times it was legal only to become illegal again.


Hey man, the the Libertarian party is the third largest party, and has grown every year since its founding. Also, many candidates are leaving the Republican and Democratic parties for the Libertarian Party, note too that those in the two main parties are a bunch of corrupt scum getting paid by big business. Yes, it would only be a short while because the current two arty system dictates that each side must punish the other when they take control by undoing everything the other side did, which is another reason to support the Libertarian Party because a third party would end such a rule.
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@Skullzero- The violent crime rate would go down.

@sushohair- I have given a whole host or reasons that outweigh the reasons why legalization is bad, also having drugs illegal exacerbates the said problems.

WeeMan147
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Necromancer, in theory your ideas sound great, but you have no clue about how things actually work. Do you not understand the underground workings of gangs and the power they have? Have you an idea of the influence that these gangs can have? Back in the prime, the Italian Mafia had complete control over whole cities, businesses, and even the police force. You think "hardy har har I have a shotgun, I win!" is going to stop people. Absolutely naive!

Of course the government would have to make the drugs! Look at the prescription drugs that are made these days. They are made by independent companies, but the government pretty much runs them. The government tells them what they can and can not do, not the market like most other products. When you sell things to 301 million people, things that are supposed to get you high and people will put a lot of in their bodies, the government is going to run that. Besides, if they were legal, it would be the weakest drug out there. The drug dealers would still profit because they can sell the more potent product because they don't care if you live or die. The FDA can't just sit and examine drugs all day. Remember that money you saved from the cutting back of catching drug dealers? Well now you just invested 100% or more of that savings into the FDA to hire new people, make new plants, new buildings, and all the other things they need.

Every new president changes a few things from the previous president since most of the time we switch from Democrat to Republican every other election. But not everything gets changed. People have their own interests and change the things they say they will change when they run. You think the Libertarians wont change anything? You think they are made of out gold and are perfect? That is absolutely absurd and I think you need to reevaluate your train of thought.

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@necromoncer,I don't get why you bother continuing(however its spelled)to defend legalization of Marijuana.The problem is even if they found a reason to leagalize drugs millions of people would be against it, and no president wants to be looked down upon, by the people who actually vote for them.The thing is the government wants to control us as best they can without absolute power.The way they do this is by making things illegal.It's just that simple.It's not communism(don't comment), and its not some conspiracy theory.It's just the way our country works.

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actually,I totally agree with WeeMan on that.Everything he just said.It makes sense to me

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