ForumsWEPRDrugs: Why not legalize?

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Devoidless
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The topic says it all.

Why do governments feel the need to make drugs illegal? If anything, it causes a lot more problems than there were before. If they were legalized, there would not be nearly as many violent actions over getting them since the prices would not be nearly as high. There would not been as many people over doing it with drugs, since it would eventually just become a normal thing in day-to-day life.

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Riskae
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Just because you don't want to take the risk to poke a snake that is hiding a treasure, doesn't mean that everyone else can't do it.


Please do poke the snake.

Um, just look at the Netherlands, I even posted a quote that Netherlands drug policies said about regulations.


Still waiting for that source, because I don't feel like looking through 90 pages to it.

Have you seen what Americans do with alcohol? I doubt legalizing drugs would play out well in the United States.
nonconformist
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So because it is safer to poke a Diamondback rattle snake than it is to poke a coral snake I should go ahead and poke the Diamondback. WTF people you shouldn't drink or smoke marijuana! You would think this was common sense!

First off due to the fact that both of those snakes kill, id like you to go out and find one death in the world that only incorporates marijuana as the killer. Nothing else. Im not talking being high and driving, im talking smoking marijuana (only marijuana no cigarettes) and having a person get cancer from that, or dye from an overdose... Ill be back in 100 years and you still won't find one. Why? Cuz its already been proven that marijuana can't kill you by itself... So i don't even know why your comparing marijuana with a deadly snake. Thats just a horrible metaphor. And either way, id grab both them snakes by the horns and show em who's boss. Best o' both worlds right?

On a side note... Im also guessing due to your extreme straight edged-ness your also scared to have intercourse because theres STDs out there and you can die from that too... Which snake should intercourse be....

But seriously your honestly saying people shouldnt drink... Please tell me your 10 or 11... ill let 12 slide as well.

Riskae
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First off due to the fact that both of those snakes kill, id like you to go out and find one death in the world that only incorporates marijuana as the killer. Nothing else. Im not talking being high and driving, im talking smoking marijuana (only marijuana no cigarettes) and having a person get cancer from that, or dye from an overdose... Ill be back in 100 years and you still won't find one.


I guess you don't realize how few in number the amount of people who die from either of those snake's bites, but that's probably because people don't try smoke them. I don't think marijuana kills, so I consent that that was a bad metaphor. But the argument here is on whether it should be or not it should be legalized and I don't think you can speak for the whole world by saying no one will use it irresponsibly.

On a side note... Im also guessing due to your extreme straight edged-ness your also scared to have intercourse because theres STDs out there and you can die from that too... Which snake should intercourse be....


I am gay so a fear of STD's wouldn't be rather prudent. I'll have to further contemplate which snake should represent intercourse because I can't think of one at the moment and I'll make sure to get back to you on that.

But seriously your honestly saying people shouldnt drink... Please tell me your 10 or 11... ill let 12 slide as well.


I'm sorry that you can't think of any better rebuttal than to insult my age, and I will inform you that I am not 12, I am 16.
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But the argument here is on whether it should be or not it should be legalized and I don't think you can speak for the whole world by saying no one will use it irresponsibly.


The possibility of people using something irresponsibly is no reason to keep it illegal.
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Still waiting for that source, because I don't feel like looking through 90 pages to it.

I thought you could find it yourself (pretty obvious, but okay). Here:

Most policymakers in the Netherlands believe that if a problem has proved to be unsolvable, it is better to try controlling it and reducing harm instead of continuing to enforce laws with mixed results.


yet again, the same source I posted before, but i guess no one ever reads my posts. *sigh*

Oh, and, The Netherlands is ranked 4th in "happiest people in general", while the US is ranked 12th. Basically, in general, Netherlanders have a better life then Americans. source

Please do poke the snake.

I'll try not to show off my treasure once I get it.
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I will confess that I smoked marijuana
and is not good. is true that he is very relaxing but damages the lungs and smoking a lot, it shows that these increasingly thinner and more malnourished

Riskae
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Oh, and, The Netherlands is ranked 4th in "happiest people in general", while the US is ranked 12th. Basically, in general, Netherlanders have a better life then Americans.


And that must be the result of marijuana. In addition to that the HDI and IHDI are largely speculative, I studied them in AP Human Geography though that was in 2009 and the data i was taught is since out of date. Btw the HDI and IHDI are not a level of happiness. It is more of an are you educated and can you get health care easily and afford-ably scale, which might I add has nothing to do with marijuana.
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Oh, and, The Netherlands is ranked 4th in "happiest people in general", while the US is ranked 12th. Basically, in general, Netherlanders have a better life then Americans. source


this is true i am glad to live here and no it aint all about the drug me and most of my friends have "tried" marijuana smoked and / or eaten within a spacecake i did not to want have more like the sigarettes (what the goverment is trying to ilegalize here). you don't have the urge to go and use but hidden, you can do it freely at home or at some spots, and like the most people here we don't have the urge to use it cuz we know that we can get it without getting busted it eazes you more and ofc you'll get a period that you'll smoke to much. that doesn't mean youre an instant junky.


anyway i became con usage of
and pro legalize

and i'm still happy lol
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But the argument here is on whether it should be or not it should be legalized and I don't think you can speak for the whole world by saying no one will use it irresponsibly.


You say how dangerous smoking marijuana is, but look at cars. In America they are among the highest killers of teenagers, and pretty high nationally for related deaths in general. They're essentially screaming metal death traps.
You have to sixteen to get a liscense to drive one, in America. You have to eighteen or twenty one in other countries. These governments have realized that cars are dangerous, but the benefits easily outweigh the risks of driving them. That is why they they regulate who can and cannot drive, and under what circumstances. Not too long ago seatbelts were a luxury in cars, and you had to request them specially from the dealer, then the government got involved and many people survived crashes more often.

You have to be sixteen on America to buy tobacco products. Smoking cigarettes is easily one of the most dangerous things to your health you can do, and the charts and commercials the tobacco industry is mandated by law to put up saying how many people die each year prove it. The government regulates the quality of cigarettes, and the sale and tax. the same goes for alcohol.

The government not only allows dangerous activity to occur, it regulates it. It taxes it. Individually these are some of the most dangerous practices that Americans practice. (I can't speak for other countries, other input about these practices in other countries is welcome) Combined they are definitely the number one cause of death. And smoking pot, the most dangerous method of consuming THC, does not rank anywhere near these others in terms of danger to health.

All I'm asking is why can't the government allow it, and tax it, and regulate it the same way it does anything else?
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Btw the HDI and IHDI are not a level of happiness. It is more of an are you educated and can you get health care easily and afford-ably scale, which might I add has nothing to do with marijuana.

Wrong. The IHDI is in fact the good standards of living in a country compared to the bad standards. So basically if the majority of the population has a high IHDI, in other words a high living standard, then the people will be happier. Well, most of the time.

And I'm just trying to point out that legalizing pot doesn't destroy a country making them all drug heads. Look at darknes4ever's post.
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I believe it would be a lot better for everybody if drugs were legalized. The 18th Amendment of the Constitution prohibited the selling of alcohol. This only caused many problems like secret bars and such. That was then repealed by the 21st Amendment. So I think if the government legalized pot or coke or whatever they could tax it and get rid of the drug police force which would save the police money.

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Good idea. Why no take it a bit further and remove laws in general? Then we could save loads of money in law-keeping and punishments.

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There are alot of people in jail for drugs. In fact, Most of them are there for drugs. And you pay for them to be there. Why not do everyone a favor and make weed legal? people will use it wheather it's illegal or not.

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Oh, and, The Netherlands is ranked 4th in "happiest people in general", while the US is ranked 12th.

Who cares about happiness? Maybe that's because the United States has an incredibly large national debt (over $14 trillion). Or maybe we're always at war; although I think war is a good thing, it really does depress people at home. Maybe it's because we have a president that just plain sucks. Maybe the reason why we're unhappy is a direct result of the fact that everything in the United States is an import. Literally everything. We don't know how to do anything. Instead, we take oil from the Middle East, and take every household product imaginable from China, and take all the cars from Japan. So don't assume that it's because weed is legal in the Netherlands, because that's a really large assumption, and it could be a 100+ page thesis.
Why no take it a bit further and remove laws in general? Then we could save loads of money in law-keeping and punishments.

That's basically anarchy. Believe it or not, the government actually needs to be there. If there were no laws people would be killing others and doing drugs because they can.

People need to stop worrying about legalizing these drugs, especially marijuana, because there are worse things to worry about. And if they have no problem doing them illegally there's no point in arguing that they should be legalized.
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Who cares about happiness? Maybe that's because the United States has an incredibly large national debt (over $14 trillion). Or maybe we're always at war; although I think war is a good thing, it really does depress people at home. Maybe it's because we have a president that just plain sucks. Maybe the reason why we're unhappy is a direct result of the fact that everything in the United States is an import. Literally everything. We don't know how to do anything. Instead, we take oil from the Middle East, and take every household product imaginable from China, and take all the cars from Japan. So don't assume that it's because weed is legal in the Netherlands, because that's a really large assumption, and it could be a 100+ page thesis.

Someone hasn't read my post.

And if they have no problem doing them illegally there's no point in arguing that they should be legalized.

This must be a joke right. No problem? Yea right.
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