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locoace3
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since there really s no topic on whether or not he really exists and created people i decided to make one


start debating... NOW!

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Efan
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i actually watched that vid two hours ago. absolutely brilliant.

Ploder
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My point is, we don't know shit. We should live by rules just because a guy made up god, and wrote a book? Or science, doesn't it seem like we aren't getting anywhere? Religons, were just conjured up stories, about how the natural world works. So it is like science in a way, and vice-versa. But when we argue about this, where do we get to? When we fight about religon, we just hurt and gut everyone. I think we should just live in the moment, instead of just proving what is what.

MRWalker82
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Or science, doesn't it seem like we aren't getting anywhere?


No, we actually are accomplishing amazing things every day.

Religons, were just conjured up stories, about how the natural world works. So it is like science in a way, and vice-versa.


No. Not at all. Religions are made up stories, science is a method of dispelling made up stories and arriving at fact. They are not similar.
314d1
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My point is, we don't know ****. We should live by rules just because a guy made up god, and wrote a book? Or science, doesn't it seem like we aren't getting anywhere? Religons, were just conjured up stories, about how the natural world works. So it is like science in a way, and vice-versa. But when we argue about this, where do we get to? When we fight about religon, we just hurt and gut everyone. I think we should just live in the moment, instead of just proving what is what.


Wait, wut? Did you seriously just ask were science has gotten us? Now here are a few pictures...

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/images-3/the-moon.jpg

http://nai.arc.nasa.gov/seminars/34_Heldmann/mars.jpg

http://www.businesspundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Robot-violin.jpg
http://www.wilkie-collins.info/images/wc_grave.jpg
And then there is the things that are hard to show, like tripling/quadrupling life expectancy, the computer you are on right now, the ability for you to even live, and everything else of your life can be attributed to science.

And religion has gotten millions somewhere, it is just somewhere no one wants to go....
314d1
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Woops, the grave was supposed to be at the end... Ignore it.

crazyrussian97
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And religion has gotten millions somewhere, it is just somewhere no one wants to go....

Not always true. Some people (not me personaly) find meaning and happiness in their life from religion. I guess that overall it has been a crappy influence though, like all the wars and atrocities that it fueled.
AnaLoGMunKy
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When we fight about religon, we just hurt and gut everyone. I think we should just live in the moment, instead of just proving what is what.


You cant say dont discuss things. Where would we stop and what would be allowed. "no dont talk about death because it depresses people" etc..
I like talking about death, life religion, hate, love, ideas and all that stuff. Im a musician, poet, philosopher, artist, lover, hater and procrastinator. By talking about these things I AM living in the moment.
MageGrayWolf
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Or science, doesn't it seem like we aren't getting anywhere?


I find ti extremely ironic you are using the fruits of science to put forth this statement.

Religons, were just conjured up stories, about how the natural world works. So it is like science in a way, and vice-versa.


Science isn't just made up stories. With science we follow where the evidence leads, testing our perceptions in an objective way to dispel faulty views. So we are discovering what's there instead of making it up.

But when we argue about this, where do we get to? When we fight about religon, we just hurt and gut everyone. I think we should just live in the moment, instead of just proving what is what.


Are you saying that it doesn't matter what's real and what's not?
Even living in the moment benefits from knowing if something is real or not. For instance if you liked sky diving, wouldn't you want to make sure your parashoot worked before jumping? Let's say someone told you that you didn't need a parashoot because an invisible flying elephant would catch you and bring you safely to the ground, wouldn't you want to make sure such a thing really existed first?

This is no different with God. If we are going to do something because some entity in the sky somewhere is watching over us, we want to make sure that entity really exists first.
crazyrussian97
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This is no different with God. If we are going to do something because some entity in the sky somewhere is watching over us, we want to make sure that entity really exists first.

I agree that it feels good to know for certain.Conviction in salvation is comfort. That is why some people choose to believe in god despite the blatantly obvious holes in the theist argument.
MageGrayWolf
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I agree that it feels good to know for certain.Conviction in salvation is comfort. That is why some people choose to believe in god despite the blatantly obvious holes in the theist argument.


Yes but believing in something that doesn't exist can have negative consequences. Like jumping out of a plane without a parashoot because you believe an invisible flying elephant will catch you. Of course this is an extreme example, but does illustrate how believing in something that is completely unfounded can be harmful.
The way around this is instead of believing out of conviction we objectively demonstrate that it's real and works, like how we would believe our parashoot would bring us safely to the ground.
crazyrussian97
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The way around this is instead of believing out of conviction we objectively demonstrate that it's real and works, like how we would believe our parashoot would bring us safely to the ground.

Sometimes there is no parashoot when we have to jump. At times like those some people prefer to believe that there is an invisible flying elephant. Ignorance is bliss, and religion is ignorance.
MageGrayWolf
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Sometimes there is no parashoot when we have to jump. At times like those some people prefer to believe that there is an invisible flying elephant. Ignorance is bliss, and religion is ignorance.


I think I will just reply to this with a quote.

"Feeling better is not actually being better."- James Randi

Just because someone may feel good being ignorant, that doesn't mean that's the best state to be in.
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Some people can't live without purpose and religon gives you a purpose, all I can say is that if someone is trying to find happyness then so be it because there are not many things in this world that give happyness.

MageGrayWolf
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Some people can't live without purpose and religon gives you a purpose,


You don't need religion to have purpose in life. In many ways purpose attributed to yourself can be far more fulfilling then a purpose attributed to a deity.

all I can say is that if someone is trying to find happyness then so be it because there are not many things in this world that give happyness.


I disagree, there are many things in this world that give happiness. Why should we rely on ignorance to be our main form of happiness?
314d1
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Some people can't live without purpose and religon gives you a purpose, all I can say is that if someone is trying to find happyness then so be it because there are not many things in this world that give happyness.


There are plenty of things that give happiness that don't cause as many negative side effects. Of the top of my head, beer, do to that old "ten reasons why beer is better than religion" Joke.

Now comparing the two, we can see they both cause temporary unhappiness and loss of braincells. They both cause you to do things you would not do if you were not under there influence. They both have killed many people. But how many wars has beer started? At most one, and that is if you count the Mafia during the prohibition a war. And even then it was because of it being banned. How many has religion caused? Countless....
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