It all depends on your faith. God is an entity that has to be believed in.
How does that make him real? If I believed in magic pixies would that make them real? If not then why this double standard with God? Why should we demand proof for everything else (including other gods), but with your God we just have to believe it without proof?
Why do people always fall back on the "cant prove he ISNT real" argument when they aint got nothing else?
Wait... I've been posting in here for a few days now, and I totally forgot to ask the OP to clarify which God we are supposed to be debating! I mean, he said that we are to be discussing both whether this deity exists and if said deity created us, but there are 30 goddesses who are ascribed the creation, and 110 gods who are said to be the creator. So I ask, which do you want us to debate?
Wait... I've been posting in here for a few days now, and I totally forgot to ask the OP to clarify which God we are supposed to be debating! I mean, he said that we are to be discussing both whether this deity exists and if said deity created us, but there are 30 goddesses who are ascribed the creation, and 110 gods who are said to be the creator. So I ask, which do you want us to debate?
I thought this was asked once, don't see it though.
Anyway, God capitalized is usually in reference to the Judeo-Christian God so that is the one we have been focusing on, not to mention most of the theists here are of some sort of Abrahamic belief.
Anyway, God capitalized is usually in reference to the Judeo-Christian God so that is the one we have been focusing on, not to mention most of the theists here are of some sort of Abrahamic belief.
Right, I was just raising a query. Also, how could Yahweh be the creator if people were around and worshiping other creators before the idea of Yahweh even entered into human society? Wouldn't it stand to reason that the god who created everything would be the first god, and thus the oldest and first worshiped? Just a ponder...
Well this looks like a good place to question the agnostics...
Why the hell are you agnostic? It is not like any deity has a greater possibility than any imaginary thing you could casually come up with, enough to say without a shadow of a doubt that there is no god. The same way I can say without a shadow of a doubt that there is no spade wielding space monkey stealing the sols of peoples shoes. I doubt you have an emotional attachment to being an agnostic, or even the pure blind ignorance of religion.
Try not to be offended. There hasn't been an agnostic based murder yet, so I don't hate agnosticism or whatever. Just want to understand your viewpoint...
It is not like any deity has a greater possibility than any imaginary thing you could casually come up with, enough to say without a shadow of a doubt that there is no god.
I'm not sure if I'm following your train of thought here. So if you can wildly speculate in an area where something is unknown and any guess is equal it makes it means something doesn't exist in the area?
Because my knowledge is limited to my experiences and my experiences are limited to what is possible in reference to humanity. I cannot know if a god exists or not it isn't possible because I'm human, I deny belief in any established religion but I can't say with absolute certainty that no deity exists.
Because my knowledge is limited to my experiences and my experiences are limited to what is possible in reference to humanity. I cannot know if a god exists or not it isn't possible because I'm human, I deny belief in any established religion but I can't say with absolute certainty that no deity exists.
Then you're an atheist. An agnostic atheist, but an atheist nonetheless.
Then you're an atheist. An agnostic atheist, but an atheist nonetheless.
Perhaps, in regards to that is it even possible to be a pure agnostic? I suppose it depends how you define it. If you simply look it as being unsure of what you believe then yes I'm an agnostic atheist.
Or
Agnostic: a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as god, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
Perhaps, in regards to that is it even possible to be a pure agnostic?
Actually, no it's not. I'm also an agnostic atheist. I don't believe that the existence of deities is even knowable, or even if it were that would be able to comprehend the nature and purpose of such a deity, which makes me an agnostic.
Because I freely admit that I don't know, and probably will never know, anything factual regarding deities I am without a belief in them, making me an atheist.
I find that this is where most atheists are at, although there is so much negative stigma regarding the term 'atheist' that people identify as agnostic to lessen the offense to theists. However this has led to the misconception that agnosticism and atheism deal with the same subject matter and thus the confusion as to what these terms truly imply.
