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TheAKGuy
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No seriously. This is like insect repellant for republicans. Have you ever, in a million years, seen a conservitive on AG? You know, like a die hard, Arizona, John McCain type Conservative?

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SirNoobalot
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there were a few, but they moved on or got driven off by everyone else >.> . most people here are far from it.

NoNameC68
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AG attracts a lot of younger people. Young people tend to make little to no money.

Liberals, like Obama, promise to lower taxes and to give away free benefits such as health care. Young people, who can't afford very good health insurance or taxes, jump right in.

Liberals talk about making life easier, and in my opinion they do the opposite. Conservatives talk about everyone watching out for themselves like responsible adults, and younger people don't like to work.

ChillzMaster
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ahem, you appear to have found your needle-in-haystack right here.

I am, indeed, a republican. The only dem. i'd trust is FDR, and I think obama's a piece of trash that needs to be taken out. Anyone gonna disagree with me?

MageGrayWolf
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Liberals talk about making life easier, and in my opinion they do the opposite. Conservatives talk about everyone watching out for themselves like responsible adults, and younger people don't like to work.


Oh, so conservatives are just self serving and greedy doing nothing to try and help anyone but themselves.
Shenko
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hehe im a conservative
you are 100% correct about us conservatives mage!

knight_34
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I still see some conservative leaning people here but they aren't very vocal these days. They even formed a group here on AG. That was quite a while back. Snakebite's probably busy with college, Agent moved on to Kong and I haven't seen Ricador in months.

Freakenstein
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Liberals talk about making life easier


That is probably one of their motives. Actually both sides of the political spectrum. Don't both sides want what's best for their nation?

In general? No, this is incorrect.

Back then, Liberalism meant "free". Back when America was young, it meant "free from tyranny". You can understand how that works; that's what the definition of liberate means. We had a discussion about this in Government class. Right now, Liberalism means something totally different. It now means "free from oppression" or something to that effect. That's what the liberals want, correct? Free health care, pro-choice, genuine equality for the homosexuals.

What separates me from them is the manner in which to do so. Nit-picky bills such as these should be left to the States, since it is more controlled. Not every state will lean the same way, correct? Anything that has to apply to the States needs to be in the form of an Amendment. The way I see it, the next amendment to the Constitution will be:

"The rights of an American citizen shall hereby not be oppressed on account of sexuality. Congress shall have the power to enforce this amendment by appropriate legislation."

Did I rant? Seems like I did. Well, you get the point.

Conservatives? The only reason why I'm lost on exact numbers is because we really haven't had a thread to discuss where you are on the political spectrum in a while. I've seen a couple. If you're good, you can kinda tell who they are by how they stance on a few topics.
Shenko
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did u know im a conservative?
democracy can be good and can be bad
for example
lets say 15 men are looking for a bandit
they catch him and vote
10 voted hang him
5 voted let him live
majority won so the bandit was killed.......
example 2
the 15 men catch the bandit
they send him to court because he has the right to convince people hes innocent
then if judge decides that hes guilty then hes hanged
if judge decides he innocent the 15 men search again

Shenko
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if you like example 1 you are democrat
if you like example 2 your conservative

Shenko
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Shenko
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if you like example 1 you are democrat
if you like example 2 your conservative

Strop
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Guys.

Could you at least specify when saying "liberal" and "conservative" whether you mean "social liberal" or "economic liberal" etc.? In the US, Democrats trend towards being social liberals, economic conservatives, whereas Republicans trend towards being social conservatives, economic liberals (i.e. free-market capitalism). For example whilst Nemo is relatively social liberal compared to the typical Republican, his statements are rampantly economically liberal. From this I could further speculate on his location, and if I know his location, his socio-economic status, demographics etc. Same applies to anybody who posts enough here, unless they're a perpetual Devil's advocate like myself.

What I believe the OP means is "have you seen a social conservative on AG?" The answer to this is yes, there are a few, but they generally tend to stop posting after a while due to the sheer overwhelming majority of social liberals. Unfortunately I've noticed that the strongly conservative tend not to have a particularly strong education, so in a forum where education is an intrinsic measure of credibility, they tend to do poorly, get frustrated, and end up flaming or making hateful statements, which means that we have to step in and pull them out of the conversation. While those who have been brought up as social liberal don't necessarily have a good education either (though it is, statistically speaking, more likely seeing as educational level and political alignment is actually one of the US' strongest demographic associations), their position fairly precludes them making such hateful/discriminatory statements that violate our TOS.

StepOnABaby
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Could you at least specify when saying "liberal" and "conservative" whether you mean "social liberal" or "economic liberal" etc.? In the US, Democrats trend towards being social liberals, economic conservatives, whereas Republicans trend towards being social conservatives, economic liberals (i.e. free-market capitalism).


*is social liberal* DAMNIT!

He just means conservatives in general I think....I haven't met any on here <.<
NoNameC68
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Oh, so conservatives are just self serving and greedy doing nothing to try and help anyone but themselves.


Greed is not helping yourself. It is taking from others.

But, if I worked for my money and I have a lot of it and I don't give it away, and if that makes me greedy, then I believe I should have a right to be greedy with my own property.

Liberals believe in a big government that can force people to participate in different programs to help everyone for the greater good.

Conservatives, on the other hand, believe that everyone should focus on helping themselves through a system that will require them to help others without government forcing them to do so. Basically, everyone focuses on their own needs, but to acquire those needs, they must help others.

For example whilst Nemo is relatively social liberal compared to the typical Republican, his statements are rampantly economically liberal.


Note: Liberal and conservative mean different things in Australia than they do in America.

I am left when it comes to personal freedom and right when it comes to economic freedom.
Freakenstein
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I'm a smidgen to the left for economic freedom. I despise outsourcing for corporate businesses. But yeah. Personal freedoms, I'm left; we must change personal freedoms to where everyone IS equal and CAN do what they want with their life, not just thinking we are and can. This is why I'm a little ticked about NC and their "you must be a Christian to be in office" rule. There are jews, atheists, Muslims, and Pastafarians that are better politicians than Christians. Maybe they'd learn something if they allowed some open-minded views.

Hmm...anything I'm conservative on...Hang on, I know this...There's gotta be a couple things....

Someone throw some topics at me lol

NoNameC68
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I'm a smidgen to the left for economic freedom. I despise outsourcing for corporate businesses.


Corporatism and free market are two different things. It can be argued that the free market leads to corporatism but corporatism is often protected by government. You can have a free market without corporatism.

The left often supports protecting people's jobs by allowing the government to bail out big businesses.

Government restrictions on business often make it harder for small businesses to run. This is why so many big businesses rely on outsourcing. It's cheaper to gain goods and services from foreign workers because big business today must offer so many benefits to their workers.

The reason so many businesses rely on having a bunch of min. wage workers rather than one or two min. wage workers is because the companies must provide certain benefits to anyone who works more than, I believe, 40 hours a week.

I would gladly decline added bonuses if it meant having an opportunity to work more, and in turn make more money. Of course, the people trying to help me gain benefits and make more money are the ones who hurt me. Because of them, there are other people working min. wage beside me so they can cut our hours. It's not the business's fault, they probably aren't big enough to afford paying extra benefits!

This is why government should not get involved with corporations.

Also, everyone talks about how corporations have so much control over the country because they bribe government officials. This happens when the government gets more involved with business. There is less bribery and corruption in the true free market.

Let's suppose government wants to force companies to pay their workers more money. Big companies generally won't support this action. However, a big corporation will stand down and not fight such a bill if the government does them a favor and pass another bill that forces new small businesses to go through more hoops to get started. This way, the government official gets more votes for making companies pay their workers more; the big companies gladly pay their workers more money because they weeded out their competition and have less people to compete with; and smaller companies have so many hoops to jump through, and they can't afford to pay their workers money, that they simply fail.

For example, if you want to start a moving company in Missouri, you have to get permission from all the other moving companies first. The other moving companies aren't going to give you permission because they don't want the extra competition. Therefore, you must talk to some officials and persuade them that there needs to be another moving company. This is nearly impossible to do. Therefor, it can take many more years to start a company, if you can even start one at all, than what it should take.

The same goes for hospitals. In some states, you can't build another hospital so many miles from pre-existing hospitals unless you get their permission first. Those hospitals will tell you no, because they don't want the competition.

In a free market, you don't have to ask other companies for permission to start your own business. This is a result of a controlled market, not free market. This is the result of government involvement with businesses both big and small.
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