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cddm95ace
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I believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God and died on the cross for all our sins and did miracles his whole life.

What do you believe, and why?

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Asherlee
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If there was a scientific explanation for it, then I would almost always go with that. Why do you choose faith, which is believing in something without evidence (as Mage puts it), instead of a scientific explanation?

Asherlee
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Errrr, I hit submit too early.

I wanted to add, that this is a legitimate question. I'm not baiting you into anything. No personal criticism intended.

DoctorHouseNCIS
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Yes, Jesus is God in human form..........is that your point?

314d1
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Do you acknowledge that there are some things unexplainable by science?


Everything can be explained by science... Certainly we do not currently know everything, but it has the potential to.

hat there are some things unexplainable by science? If you do, then this can explain why we believe this. Take for instance, if someone instantly appeared in front of you and predicted what would happen in an hour, disappeared, and was right. (This did not actually happen, but bear with me for the sake of an analogy.) Then, when you told someone, they gave you scientific evidence of why that was impossible.


It isn't impossible. In fact, you will probably look for things or even make them happen yourself depending on what it is. Things such as "You will receive bad luck within the hour" would make you look for any unfortunate to place credit on that guy. If he said "You will have a sudden serge to go to the bathroom" then him suggesting it has a possibility of making it a self fulfilling prophesy.

But since this is a hypothetical and vague situation, I will have to leave it at that...

Would you believe that you were hallucinating, or that the impossible did happen?


As I said it would be easily possible, but strange considering a strange man came to your home to tell you this. I would recommend sending him to a hospital for a check up...

For many Christians, this is how our "unexplainable" faith works.


You take something that happens logically and make an illogical assumption based on beliefs that you were thought and what you wish to be true? Tell me something I don't know, like why anyone takes this as a credible source.
cddm95ace
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DoctorHouseNCIS- that is one of my points for sure.

314d1-I think you over-analyzed my analogy. All that I'm saying is that personal experience can prove something that is scientifically impossible to the personal who had the experience, but to nobody else.

Asherlee- I choose faith because i know that this life is not all it is, and that there is something compelling deep inside everyone, saying that they are missing something. For those who have truly found it, and rediscovered it, it is God. I have watch many of you who say that you feel lonely after leaving God for atheism. This feeling they say is quenched with earthly pleasures and friendships. If this truly works, why have many of you confessed it occasionally comes back? This is your soul longing for God, and God reaching out to try to bring you back. For this reason, and the connection I have with my God in worship, and my belief that not everything has to be proven to be believed in, I choose God over "evidence."

Asherlee
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I choose faith because i know that this life is not all it is, and that there is something compelling deep inside everyone, saying that they are missing something.


Okay, this explains why you are not atheist. Why not agnostic?

I have watch many of you who say that you feel lonely after leaving God for atheism. This feeling they say is quenched with earthly pleasures and friendships. If this truly works, why have many of you confessed it occasionally comes back?


That's odd. I have yet to meet an atheist that felt lonely because they didn't believe in a higher power.

-And what does "confessed it occasionally comes back", mean?

This is your soul longing for God, and God reaching out to try to bring you back.


Having the complex consciousness that we have, as humans, can be the root of our existential questions. It isn't necessary to have a higher power on the other end.
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That's odd. I have yet to meet an atheist that felt lonely because they didn't believe in a higher power.


Meet one, Christianity was a lot warmer; more friendly. Alas, I came across the truth and I cannot return although I wish I could.
Asherlee
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I suppose the saying is correct, ignorance is bliss. However, I don't know the mind of an atheist, because I am not one.

But, samy, there are other groups of people that offer warmness and friendliness.

samy
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I suppose the saying is correct, ignorance is bliss.


It is, you never know until you leave your ignorance how blissful it was.

I don't know the mind of an atheist, because I am not one.


For future reference what do you believe?

But, samy, there are other groups of people that offer warmness and friendliness.


None of them with an all powerful deity who loves me and offers me advice. Who died for me.
Asherlee
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Ehhh, Jesus got his material from Buddha. Buddha loves you too!

My personal beliefs, are...uhh...personal! I just don't feel like I need to express my belief system. I debate from many different, sometimes opposing sides, when compared to my own beliefs.

samy
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Ehhh, Jesus got his material from Buddha. Buddha loves you too!


Yes, but Buddha is also dead; I'm sure I'll pick up Buddhism and some point in my life though, it's the white thing to do.

My personal beliefs, are...uhh...personal! I just don't feel like I need to express my belief system. I debate from many different, sometimes opposing sides, when compared to my own beliefs.


I can respect that and I understand. You're a hard one to pin down accordingly though =P
Asherlee
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Well, good little discussion samy! One day, your mind/soul/spark-o-life will find some satisfaction and comfort. Who knows, Buddhism might just be your thing!

Thank you for respecting me in not divulging in my personal beliefs. However, it isn't all that complex. I can assure you that.

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Now, I'm getting in bed early! Paying job starts eeeeaaarrrrrlllly!

samy
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One day, your mind/soul/spark-o-life will find some satisfaction and comfort. Who knows, Buddhism might just be your thing!


Only time will tell, I'm sure I'll drop by to proclaim it and then move on with my life; I'll let you know.

Thank you for respecting me in not divulging in my personal beliefs. However, it isn't all that complex. I can assure you that.


Anytime, any other action toward you would be futile and generally dumb. Eh, are any beliefs that complex really?
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314d1-I think you over-analyzed my analogy. All that I'm saying is that personal experience can prove something that is scientifically impossible to the personal who had the experience, but to nobody else.


No it can't...A good thing to do if you saw something that was ACTUALLY impossible, say a flying elephant, then there are several steps to take.

1. Take a reality test, to be sure you are not dreaming. I would suggest looking at digital clocks, then looking again, which supposedly makes them change in dreams.

2. IMMEDIATELY write down exactly what you saw. Your memory will change to fit your view of the subject. What you wright will probably have been corrupted some already, but less so than what you will think in say an hour.

3. Take a drug/alcohol test, self explanatory...

4. Confirmation and conclusion, check to see what any other witnesses saw. Don't tell them about what you saw, it will likely corrupt there memories to be closer to yours. Write down what they say immediately. Then, if you are not proven wrong, think logically about what it probably was. I doubt it was really a space ship, for a random example, it could have easily been a shooting star, helicopter, or airplane.

And you can't over analyze something, unless I didn't get the MEMO....
samy
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And you can't over analyze something, unless I didn't get the MEMO....


You've never read "To Kill a Mockingbird" in English class have you?
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