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cddm95ace
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I believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God and died on the cross for all our sins and did miracles his whole life.

What do you believe, and why?

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wolf1991
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Yay! The Wall of Links!

MageGrayWolf
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**** Mage do you keep a list of links in your closet or something? HAO?!!
And I'm gone for like a day and 17 pages sprout up...*sigh*.


I keep it on a note pad. The original I think was put together by Firefly. I went in and added the videos. I may add more links as I go as well.

I also have a list of transitional fossils giving a general idea of the steps from invertebrates up to us.
Alexander116
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Ever think that it could have been the result of a naval ship sinking at sea? That happens a lot you know. Also, I found no information that dated these artifacts and until such time as a date could be established we don't even know how old they are or if they are even egyptian in origin. Simply because something points in the right direction doesn't make it a fact in support of a claim. It is pure conjecture until the source and age and cause of their placement can be verified.

IF it was a boat reck then wouldn't there be a big broken boat down there with all the other stuff. lol
MRWalker82
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IF it was a boat reck then wouldn't there be a big broken boat down there with all the other stuff. lol


Not necessarily. Naval warfare at the time involved burning of ships in many cases. Also currents and marine life could have deteriorated the wreckage to a point where it is not noticeable at this time, or currents could have spread the wreckage to such a point that the area hasn't been searched enough to find it. Also, it could have been on the deck of the ship and sufficient winds caused an accident in which only a couple of chariots fell.

Again, there are numerous logical hypothesis about this situation, none of which are proven and none of which involve a miracle. And as I said earlier:

I found no information that dated these artifacts and until such time as a date could be established we don't even know how old they are or if they are even egyptian in origin.


And:

It is pure conjecture until the source and age and cause of their placement can be verified.


Based on what you have shown there is absolutely no evidence of anything except what appears to be, and has not been verified as, a wheel attached to an axle at the bottom of the Red Sea and which is unknown in both it's age and origins.
MageGrayWolf
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Here's what I was able to find on the chariot under at the bottom of the Red Sea.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/chariot-wheels.htm

I love the reliability of the person who made the initial claim that this was a Biblical artifact.

Much of this eRumor is based on the findings of Ron Wyatt, a colorful and controversial amateur archeologist who claimed to have found Noah's ark, the Biblical Ark of the Covenant, the location of Sodom And Gomorrah, the Tower of Babel, the true site of Mt. Sinai, the true site of the crucifixion of Jesus, and the original stones of the Ten Commandments.


During his first visit to Nuweiba in 1978 he found a large column lying on the beach that looked like an ancient artifact. Later he found that it had been set up by Egyptian authorities in concrete for display. He believed it to be a marker set up by King Solomon to note the crossing of the Red Sea.


Clearly a reliable source... -_-
MRWalker82
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Rational Wiki

This one is good too. Apparently the claim to have dated one of the wheels could never be confirmed, even though it was claimed to have been sent to a university in Cairo for dating. Universities keep records of stuff like that, ya know.

Also, the site where the wheels were "found" wouldn't have been correct anyway because the Bible talks about a fort, but the fort in the area was built by the Ottoman Empire, not the Egyptians, and wouldn't have been around at the time.

So not only does the site not match to the Bible, but there was a fort there and the Ottomans used chariots too. Ever think the sea could have rose, or a fight occurred, or an accident which led to the Ottomans losing chariots and people in the sea? Seems likely to me. At least, far more likely than 'god did it'.

Oh, and here's a Christian archaeologist debunking the same stuff Alexander has paraded before you all as fact:
Professor Merling's site

Asherlee
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I'm close to locking this topic due to the 10-run rule.

Efan
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the 10-run rule?

Asherlee
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Baseball terminology. You end the game early if one of the teams scores 10 runs more than the other team.

Alexander116
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Based on what you have shown there is absolutely no evidence of anything except what appears to be, and has not been verified as, a wheel attached to an axle at the bottom of the Red Sea and which is unknown in both it's age and origins.

Again this is awfully coincidental that the bible would contain such a marvelous story, and then we would find evidence that would support it. I would venture to say that it takes more faith to believe your side of this then to believe my side.
Alexander116
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The Lord loves you all, He is sad that you have strayed from him. The reason why I take the time from my life to talk to you guys is because I know where you are going eternally and this makes me sad. I hope that I can say at leased one thing that rings true with at least one of you and could at leased give another christian who you know a chance to finish what I might have started. Lastly the Lord has put you on my heart MRWalker82 and you are in my prayers. Thank you all as you have made me a stronger christian and stronger in my defense of the faith. I will be taking a break from the forums now.
good bye!

Asherlee
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Alex, I still had a question for you that you never answered. But if this is it. Then I'm going to lock the topic.

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