Education that is used to keep the masses of people in line. I came across the link below and it makes a very interesting bit of reading. AgainstSchool.com
I have always questioned the school system and the ways of teaching.
Why do schools start the day at 8-9 am and as you get into later years they actually increase the time you spend there which is quite obviously detrimental to the child's routine. i.e. go somewhere they don't like, stuck in class instead of running around, hate the work, forced to work, threatened with punishment if they dont work, parents threatened with punishment and imprisonment if they dont send child to school...
Why do schools actively push a certain criteria into their teaching and do NOT teach you your rights when it comes to law, the police and your available power?
Why do schools still largely follow a religious angle when its very well known that the young mind is open to manipulation especially when its put on them from their "eers" i.e. the older kids. Like sacrificial lambs to the slaughter (sorry couldnt resist)
Why do schools allow corporations to advertise and sometimes even sell products within the establishment that are detrimental to both the health and mind of students and/or manipulate them into buying the products e.g. coca-cola, cadburys, starbucks, McDonalds etc
Your thoughts and opinions would be enlightening. Please read the article because agree or not, the guy has a point.
Look, schools are there as a source of secondary socialization. It's there job to socialize us to act in a certain way and pass on certain norms and values - even if we don't like them very much. If I was to take a Marxist viewpoint on the 'corporate advertising' then I'd say that companies always need new consumers - where better to manipulate the next generation into becoming loyal consumers than in the school that they're legally obliged to attend 5 days a week?
where better to manipulate the next generation into becoming loyal consumers than in the school that they're legally obliged to attend 5 days a week?
Is that not the whole point tho? I dont like the norms that school tried to pass on to me and I dont like the norms that they are passing onto my child.
They are not a source of secondary socialisation. Kids do fine without it. Just look at the world outside the west to see that.
I do believe education is vital. How we allow children to get the info is even more vital. Blowing the info thru their ears is not a very good way of doing it as we dont need parrots who dont actually understand the info they are learning. I think we need only look at religion to see that in mass-effect in the past and present.
So you don't start in noon or afternoon. It makes much more sense to start early and end in the afternoon. Plus, you get room to fit in extra-curricular activities and school-wide events.
as you get into later years they actually increase the time you spend there
Well, they don't go as long for kindergarten and elementary school kids, because their attention span is naturally low. Psychologically, they want to explore and try new things, not sit around in a class until 2:30 PM. When you are older however, your attention span broadens and you can be trained to accept longer time periods. Plus, it makes way for more periods of learning, which is always a step in the right direction.
i.e. go somewhere they don't like, stuck in class instead of running around, hate the work, forced to work, threatened with punishment if they dont work, parents threatened with punishment and imprisonment if they dont send child to school...
In this day and age, it is vital to learn the fundamentals of normal educations, which you cannot learn by yourself, because it's obvious you can't and especially won't. You are forced to work so you can learn and be prepared for college. If you hate the work, that's your problem, not the school's. I suppose they could make due with a better learning environment, if it makes the kids interested in the various topics.
Parents are forced to send kids to school because it is the law. If your population does not have a strong enough graduation rate, the community suffers. I'm in one of those communities, and I am running like hell away from it when my schooling is done.
Why do schools actively push a certain criteria into their teaching and do NOT teach you your rights when it comes to law, the police and your available power?
Your laws are in the school's handbook? The Constitution? The Miranda Rights?
Why do schools still largely follow a religious angle when its very well known that the young mind is open to manipulation especially when its put on them from their "eers" i.e. the older kids. Like sacrificial lambs to the slaughter (sorry couldnt resist)
I agree. Some schools still enforce active prayer before class starts, while being forced to do the Pledge of Allegiance. THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW PEOPLE....
Why do schools allow corporations to advertise and sometimes even sell products within the establishment that are detrimental to both the health and mind of students and/or manipulate them into buying the products e.g. coca-cola, cadburys, starbucks, McDonalds etc
Some schools may, but it didn't fly with the administration at my school. My school enforced the health policy in which no snacks or soft drinks could be sold until after school hours and no fatty, oily, starchy foods could be sold at the lunch line. If schools advertise these corporations and said products, then they are encouraging multiple branches of consequences to the students.
the early waking is very detrimental to the child's health (i'm 13 and i feel like i can't go on another day if i don't get a break to sleep in it's like they specifficly time vacations to keep your sanity just barley but still to make sure you don't gain independant thoguht)
the fact they suppress your rights (in US i'm talking about) like speech isn't cewl it's like they say "now be a good little office drone do what the bell tells you and if you don't you get punished everyone must do the same thing all the time and if you don't you have to spend extra time doing it!"
also the greasy lunches are a problem
the fact that most of the time in school is spent reviewing stuff we learned (not bad but it's a bit long to review something over and over for me it's a 7 hour school day)
also the fact that some teachers can be the devil and take their problems on the students sometimes a specific on (my science teacher hates me i didn't even do anything to him)
the fact that in school they teach you stuff that you don't need to know depending on what occupation you want they should let you choose and change depending on what you wanna be
and the grades don't help your self esteem either you should be able to grade the teacher on the way they teach instead of them grading us
school= a good theory on paper but poorly executed (everything i'm saying is about it in the US)
people i beg of you not to debunk this i'm just voicing my opinion on the matter
The man has a point, but I fear his historical examples are ill founded. He's looking only at an American society that was highly agricultural until a vast industrialization that occured post civil war. Furthermore, I can list several historical figures that were schooled and were highly successful. I also disagree that the school system makes people childish, as he appears to argue. I would argue that it forces us to grow up too fast. I know few 17 year olds who are ready to make it in university and the "real world", but I society encourages such things. I agree that the system must be changed, yet as far as I can tell he's arguing that we should turn around and farm again. He's taken things out of historical context, and has failed to make accurate comparissons.
That doesn't mean we can't constructively criticize it
the fact that in school they teach you stuff that you don't need to know depending on what occupation you want they should let you choose and change depending on what you wanna be
Saying that means you would know your occupation as soon as you waltzed in school and never change your occupation, major, minor, and status. Children don't know what they want to be while in secondary school; be realistic. I changed my career path 4 times over my high school career.
the fact they suppress your rights (in US i'm talking about) like speech isn't cewl it's like they say "now be a good little office drone do what the bell tells you and if you don't you get punished everyone must do the same thing all the time and if you don't you have to spend extra time doing it!"
They do not suppress your rights. If they do, the school can be in for a major sue, which they don't want in the first place. You instead may be exaggerating your claims.
Why do schools allow corporations to advertise and sometimes even sell products within the establishment that are detrimental to both the health and mind of students and/or manipulate them into buying the products e.g. coca-cola, cadburys, starbucks, McDonalds etc
That stuff would have been an upgrade to the literally moldy food we got served.
They do not suppress your rights. If they do, the school can be in for a major sue, which they don't want in the first place. You instead may be exaggerating your claims.
I'm not allowed to curse say bad things about the teachers or complain without getting a detention that's not suppressing then whats a better term? i know i shouldn't in the first place but sometimes i just can't help it like once we were playing with the football at lunch and someone punted it really hard and it hit my testes and it HURT i yelled out a stream of curses and i got a detention from a nearby supervisor
Saying that means you would know your occupation as soon as you waltzed in school and never change your occupation, major, minor, and status. Children don't know what they want to be while in secondary school; be realistic. I changed my career path 4 times over my high school career.
While I agree with this I have grievances with the system. To my mind, the North American system is geared toward solely business, math and science. While this is good for progression it takes away from the creative side of things. Furthermore it deprives a portion of the population (those who embrace the arts, whether it be music, acting, creative writing, ect.) of a place to stand within society. Often times creativity is neglected for the sake of "rogress".
While I agree with this I have grievances with the system. To my mind, the North American system is geared toward solely business, math and science. While this is good for progression it takes away from the creative side of things. Furthermore it deprives a portion of the population (those who embrace the arts, whether it be music, acting, creative writing, ect.) of a place to stand within society. Often times creativity is neglected for the sake of "rogress".
MY POINT THERE! there is one elective that has to do with the other interests and that's art i want to be a video games designer (i got some sick ideas) and art isn't gonna help me since it''s all tessellations and make a pretty tree i can't paint or draw (with pencil) but i can make some good art on the computer if i had the help and resources but all i get is "so the american colonists rebelled against the British crown..." it's nice i love history but i'd rather choose something else
i know i shouldn't in the first place but sometimes i just can't help it like once we were playing with the football at lunch and someone punted it really hard and it hit my testes and it HURT i yelled out a stream of curses and i got a detention from a nearby supervisor
You might want to get in the habit of monitoring your language then, because if you did that at a job (except perhaps the construction industries) you'd get fired for that type of behavior.
While I agree that there are many issues with the educational system, a lot of it is geared toward preparing people for the workplace. Furthermore, the main issue that I have with most teachers is that they lack enthusiasm for their work. If you aren't excited about teaching then how can you expect your students to get excited about learning?
Well I just want to speak my mind about it, so feel free to critique my assertions (big word )
I have school from 7:40 to 3:15 at a Catholic high school. That doesn't include football season, when I'm there from 6:15 to 7:00. I am the only person in my circle of friends who likes school, let alone thoroughly enjoys it. I mean, learning is fun. The food is fine, the teachers are amicable, and even though most of the students are zealots, bigots, or *****s, I just ignore them. If there is no school, how would we decide who goes to what college, and furthermore who gets the good jobs? If taking notes for seven hours is the worst thing that ever happens to you, then you'll be pretty well off!
You might want to get in the habit of monitoring your language then, because if you did that at a job (except perhaps the construction industries) you'd get fired for that type of behavior.
i can but what do you do when all your "monitoring" is to the fact that half your babies have died and it hurts like a mo fo
I'm not allowed to curse say bad things about the teachers or complain without getting a detention that's not suppressing then whats a better term?
That's because the act of openly curse and saying bad things about the teachers is slanderous, which is a federal crime.
If taking notes for seven hours is the worst thing that ever happens to you, then you'll be pretty well off!
This should be the lightest of anyone's fears. You guys have been going on about how you have to adhere to the teachers' wills, well, here's notetaking, where you get to decide what to put down, whether it be remarkable or shoddy. Isn't that great?
That's because the act of openly curse and saying bad things about the teachers is slanderous, which is a federal crime.
well what about other things like the way you dress i know dressing like a sl** or drooping your pants to near your knees is idiotic but let them do what they want
