Education that is used to keep the masses of people in line. I came across the link below and it makes a very interesting bit of reading. AgainstSchool.com
I have always questioned the school system and the ways of teaching.
Why do schools start the day at 8-9 am and as you get into later years they actually increase the time you spend there which is quite obviously detrimental to the child's routine. i.e. go somewhere they don't like, stuck in class instead of running around, hate the work, forced to work, threatened with punishment if they dont work, parents threatened with punishment and imprisonment if they dont send child to school...
Why do schools actively push a certain criteria into their teaching and do NOT teach you your rights when it comes to law, the police and your available power?
Why do schools still largely follow a religious angle when its very well known that the young mind is open to manipulation especially when its put on them from their "eers" i.e. the older kids. Like sacrificial lambs to the slaughter (sorry couldnt resist)
Why do schools allow corporations to advertise and sometimes even sell products within the establishment that are detrimental to both the health and mind of students and/or manipulate them into buying the products e.g. coca-cola, cadburys, starbucks, McDonalds etc
Your thoughts and opinions would be enlightening. Please read the article because agree or not, the guy has a point.
Many politicians ARE corrupt. Many are not. Starting a march... are you kidding. Did you see how many people marched when they wanted to go to war for 9/11... Millions worldwide. They still did it. They do what they want.
Perhaps Im being cynical. I have a right to be. I see reasons to be cynical on a daily basis. And yet on the other side I get told Im too idealistic because I think we can easily achieve a better society. I have a right to be angry when I see comments like this...
It's indecent and otherwise obscene; this is the local laws built in our community. No one wants to see a whale tail or your buttcrack, or, gods forbid, your penis.
And yet most of the popular music in the charts is practically worse in he sexual nature. Open your eyes man. If your saying its right to make it illigal to wear your trousers a bit low then surely you must hate the pop, advertising and fashion industry's?
Sure... lets all talk about lady gaga's penis. Because thats socially acceptable! Yet some fool who thinks he is cool to wear his trousers low is to be criminalised or at best marked an outcast from society for this act of what I agree is idiocy? No, I will not accept that as the social norm.
It seems to me the current education system is not working. In fact, its rather clear.
So a person who wants to be a doctor but never went to school can have just as much qualification as others to be a doctor. Okay I'll believe that. Also an engineer, teacher, and even a frycook. Nope. They don't need an education to have these job and to function in a society.
Dont even start on qualifications! If someone wants to become a doctor then they darn well better learn what they need to know in the appropriate place. I never said anything to the contrary. Last I looked shelf stackers didnt need a phd in biology, chemistry and physics. That bit of paper is worthless. Its the actual knowledge thats important. Sadly in our society people are judged by their credentials and not by their abilities.
And this school is real? It isn't Narnia U is it? I've never heard of a school that encourages a student to think for themself.
You guys are funny. Look, you guys are taking this out of control. Some schools are better than others, but even the worst aren't totalitarian. If it makes you feel any better, that too is against the law. So you see, your schools aren't full of HAIL HITLAH!, even though you think they are. But you guys are what, mid-teens? Sounds more like whining to me.
The main problem with education (at least American education) is that it caters to the less intelligent while the average and gifted students get whatever is left over.
AlsoKnownAs the No Child Left Behind Act.
Why exactly should I be forced to take an advanced level math class when I know I will never pursue a career based in mathematics?
Unless your math class is Calculus, then it isn't advanced by any means.
Yet some fool who thinks he is cool to wear his trousers low is to be criminalised or at best marked an outcast from society for this act of what I agree is idiocy? No, I will not accept that as the social norm.
Hold up there Joe. All I said is that the student (in my school) is to wear a belt and be on his merry way. In no way is he given a fine, tried in court, and criminalized. Did I say that? No.
Its the actual knowledge thats important. Sadly in our society people are judged by their credentials and not by their abilities.
It's also evident that by having the credentials to your field of study, you demonstrate competency in your major by having done your homework and endured through the many trials of what the university has to offer, something which leads me to believe you haven't done, well at least. If you have someone with a Bachelor's degree in criminal justice, versus someone with a doctorate's, who is more likely to get the job? The guy that did 8 freakin' years of school!
The main problem with education (at least American education) is that it caters to the less intelligent while the average and gifted students get whatever is left over.
*Raises hand* The Canadians do that too!
But Samy makes an excelent point. I consider myself to be above average intelligence, and frankly my grades show this. I'm not a super genius, but when it comes to the areas of philosophy, English and History (along with other liberal arts) I score excelent grades. Now, that being said I am a terrible math student. Oh I perform practical math and basic algebra well enough, but anything advanced simply doesn't click. So, why should I waste my time in a class I am most likely going to fail, or do very poorly in? Doesn't it make more sense to play to a student's strengths over their weaknesses? Yes generalize grade 1-8 that is needed, but come highschool allow more specialization. Now, I know someone is going to say "but the resources aren't there and you can't branch it out that much" BS. Relocate the resources then! And yes you can! It's called being gradual about it. Right now highschools allow the barest glimpse of interests to students. Why, for instance can a grade 9 not take a creative writing course? If America put as much money into its education as it did its military it would have one of the finest systems in the world.
my education suffers at the hands of awful teachers, uninteresting classes, and a lack of personal choice.
Many teachers feel as trapped as their students though. I plan to be a teacher so I've done a lot of talking to them. My favourite teachers were those who engaged the class, they were able to do this because they (miraculously) taught subjects they enjoyed, and had a bit of leeway on how the material was taught, and what was taught.
Sadly in our society people are judged by their credentials and not by their abilities.
This is true.But, I must ask: does anyone even realize that post secondary education holds no gaurentees? You could be the best qualified, yet regardless of your degree you might not be accepted. Post secondary is for you to spend tens of thousands of dollars for the HOPE you achieve your goals. Now I call that a flawed system.
and as you get into later years they actually increase the time you spend there which is quite obviously detrimental to the child's routine. i.e. go somewhere they don't like, stuck in class instead of running around, hate the work, forced to work, threatened with punishment if they dont work, parents threatened with punishment and imprisonment if they dont send child to school...
This is all a big-*** generalization. I like school. I like to go to school because I hate being at home. I also have some self-respect, so I like to do well. Simple.
Why do schools actively push a certain criteria into their teaching and do NOT teach you your rights when it comes to law, the police and your available power?
Because it's a public organization, and frankly, public organizations are run and funded by the government, so the government decides the curriculum. That's just how it works, it's not perfect, but it will have to do.
Why do schools still largely follow a religious angle
How do they follow a religious angle, exactly?
when its very well known that the young mind is open to manipulation especially when its put on them from their "eers" i.e. the older kids. Like sacrificial lambs to the slaughter (sorry couldnt resist)
Yes, kids are open to manipulation to their peers, and there are actual classes and clubs about how to resist peer pressure, funded by the schools.
Why do schools allow corporations to advertise and sometimes even sell products within the establishment that are detrimental to both the health and mind of students and/or manipulate them into buying the products e.g. coca-cola, cadburys, starbucks, McDonalds etc
Advertisment = +$ I don't see what the big deal is here. If a parent doesn't want their child to see these advertisements, then they will have to pull them completely out of society as a whole, because advertisements are literally everywhere. On cereal boxes, on billboards, on TV, on the computer, everywhere. There is really no way to avoid them, so school is just one more place.
AKA: Allow those of greater intelligence to suffer due to a system riddled with flaws. Don't get me wrong, I encourage the education of all people, however, to allow those who possess a greater ability to learn than others is detrimental. But, even without this Act the system suffers massive flaws. One would be the discouragement of creativity. A creative mind is more likely to perform better than a mind simply lost in logic.
Unless your math class is Calculus, then it isn't advanced by any means.
Depends on perspective. I consider much of the grade 11 math course too advanced for me to comprehend.
AKA: Allow those of greater intelligence to suffer due to a system riddled with flaws. Don't get me wrong, I encourage the education of all people, however, to allow those who possess a greater ability to learn than others is detrimental. But, even without this Act the system suffers massive flaws. One would be the discouragement of creativity. A creative mind is more likely to perform better than a mind simply lost in logic.
Yeah, I'm bummed about it too. NCLBA is a major turn-off for me. If you want kids that aren't as adept as others, then just present a wider range of education, plus a wider range of difficulties.
Depends on perspective. I consider much of the grade 11 math course too advanced for me to comprehend.
In my perspective, CalcI is the "advanced course", because it is written down as an advanced course in my school. Not many people took it...not even me; I took pre-calc.
A creative mind is more likely to perform better than a mind simply lost in logic.
This is also in perspective; some people are more creative, some people are more pragmatic.
You guys are funny. Look, you guys are taking this out of control. Some schools are better than others, but even the worst aren't totalitarian.
Im not saying schools are totalitarian. I know some are better than others and most of the time its particular teachers within a school that makes the difference. One thing that never surprises me is when you challenge a system many intelligent people stand up and cause a fuss because they think you are attacking the fundamental idea of education.
It's also evident that by having the credentials to your field of study, you demonstrate competency in your major by having done your homework and endured through the many trials of what the university has to offer, something which leads me to believe you haven't done, well at least. If you have someone with a Bachelor's degree in criminal justice, versus someone with a doctorate's, who is more likely to get the job? The guy that did 8 freakin' years of school!
Right. Now we are deviating as we are talking about advanced education, which is a different ball game. Im talking about the early years. The years where manipulation of a childs mind is easy. Its one thing for me to be angry that they sell products within my college, its another when thry allow it in primary and secondary school (ages 4-16 generally)
Im not arguing that someone who takes further education is more qualified for a job, you guys, who obviously went thru the advanced education system, think Im attacking YOUR education etc. This always happens when I challenge schooling and the way that we do it. You seem to assume Im saying school is the worst thing ever. Im going thru advance education myself, because I WANT to. Not because Im threatened with the law if I dont. Suppression and restriction dont make happy humans.
My school actually starts the day at 7.
Ouch!
This is all a big-*** generalization. I like school. I like to go to school because I hate being at home. I also have some self-respect, so I like to do well. Simple.
Good, there are not many people like you. Most kids dont like school. In poor areas that number always rises dramatically. I have to generalise here. The generalisation Im using is a true one within the western world. Kids in 3rd world countries JUMP at the chance to learn... because they want to. Not because they are threatened.
Because it's a public organization, and frankly, public organizations are run and funded by the government, so the government decides the curriculum. That's just how it works, it's not perfect, but it will have to do.
Thats not a reason OR an excuse that we should accept. I dont care if its publicly funded. What difference does that make. Yet these publicly funded organisations (which are, btw, funded by business when you look further down the line) will teach religious education (focusing on christianity in most schools) they will teach how to understand the ways you run a business, they will teach you history that was written by the people that decided to write it. Most teachers dont show you the fine line in-between.
Yes, kids are open to manipulation to their peers, and there are actual classes and clubs about how to resist peer pressure, funded by the schools.
Once again I have to be general, since Im talking mainly about western schools and not just your one single school. No. Most schools do not do this. They have some kind of silly "just say no" crap as if drugs are terrible (which most kids grow up and try anyway) etc...
Advertisment = +$ I don't see what the big deal is here.
Then I cant explain it to you. You will resist any notion that I bring up about social manipulation. If you actually use the brain in your head and stop pushing against me because you dont like what I say then perhaps you will gain self motivated understanding of why advertising in the way its being used rather alot nowadays is horrible and paramount to lying, cheating and conning.
Hold up there Joe. All I said is that the student (in my school) is to wear a belt and be on his merry way. In no way is he given a fine, tried in court, and criminalized. Did I say that? No.
Apologies. However your words implied a wrongdoing and that wearing your trousers at that ridiculous lowness was indecent (perhaps) and obscene (not perhaps) and that it was the local laws built into the community.
Anyway... being naked is not obscene. Using sexuality to sell and promote is obscene. Go to most third world countries. Naked is NOT obscene there. We have a skewed view (apart from the fact that Scotland is blimmin cold and youd be crazy to try walking around butt naked)
In my perspective, CalcI is the "advanced course", because it is written down as an advanced course in my school. Not many people took it...not even me; I took pre-calc.
As a junior I'm in Pre-Calc I'll be taking Calc1 next year so as far as High School goes I'm in advanced math classes, past that I'm good at math I just don't like it and I wont need it in my future so what's the point? Excuse me, besides looking good on my transcript what's the point?
plus a wider range of difficulties.
What's the point of making something I don't care about harder, again, besides looking good on my final transcript? Give me a wider range of choice and I can better myself, let me take social sciences of natural sciences, give me literature instead of regular English; in essence, give me a choice.
Doesn't it make more sense to play to a student's strengths over their weaknesses?
Not unless the strength is mathematics and the natural sciences and the weakness is the humanities.
Not unless the strength is mathematics and the natural sciences and the weakness is the humanities.
Could you elaborate? I was trying to say allow more choice so that people can plan to their strengths. I'm not suggesting they ignore their weaknesses. Some classes like English should be mandatory.
Could you elaborate? I was trying to say allow more choice so that people can plan to their strengths. I'm not suggesting they ignore their weaknesses. Some classes like English should be mandatory.
Oh, I was just being sarcastic; as in if those aren't your strengths and weaknesses the system wont cater to you because they are all it caters to.
Some classes like English should be mandatory.
I agree that the subject English should be mandatory but maybe not a basic English class, a literature class should count exactly the same as an English class does just as a Social Science class should be considered as a science credit once a very minimum mandatory curriculum is completed.
