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wtfru23
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READ GENESIS 6 BEFORE YOU POST- ITS EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT OR THROW AWAY. genesis 6 talks about mighty men or the men of renown. big people- 6 fingers 6 toes- fallen angels mated with earth women and gave birth to giants

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Avorne
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I wouldn't consider the Bible much proof of anything - lest we start believing in unicorns and Leviathon.

MRWalker82
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There were perhaps people of the time who displayed genetic mutations, such as gigantism, and also may have had extra digits. We even see these genetic disorders today, so it isn't a far stretch to say that these could have been present in the human genome several thousand years ago. As far as the mythology you bring up, it's mythology. We already know what causes gigantisma and digital mutations, such as extra fingers and toes, and it has nothing to do with celestial fairies coming to earth to mate.

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ok well here i go.

Do you have any proof or endorsement that giants existed? Did we find fossils or footprints or something?

For some reason I'm thinking about the titans in the Greek mythology. They where sons of Uranus.

wtfru23
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http://stevequayle.com/Giants/index2.html this site has plenty of biblical proof and maybe some could be convinced that giants were real

MRWalker82
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I'm telling you right now, there is no such thing as 'biblical proof'. That's like saying there is 'Hobbit proof'. It is a logical fallacy and is not recognized as a valid argument. If that is all you have to support your claim then you might as well stop posting.

wtfru23
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thers also plenty of other sites that support that giants were real- I dont remember them though- the website i just posted has enough proof i think to believe in giants

wtfru23
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I go to a christian acadamy, so were taught to debate on nothing more than biblical proof. sorry but thats how i am raised. plus there is alot more proof if you just look.Some encyclopedias say there are dig sites where giagantic remains have been found.

Asherlee
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In this debate forum, you need to provide that evidence.

wtfru23
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my source- The new world encyclopedia- look in google images- look up "Myth Giants"

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I go to a christian acadamy, so were taught to debate on nothing more than biblical proof. sorry but thats how i am raised. plus there is alot more proof if you just look.


As Asherlee said, this is a debate forum. You need to give use more proof than "biblical proof" otherwise it could be considered spam. If you cannot support your argument then don't bother trying to woo us with "biblical proof" no one is going to take youy seriously.

Some encyclopedias say there are dig sites where giagantic remains have been found.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigantopithecus

Would that be what you're talking about?
Avorne
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The skeptics annotated bible has a rather interesting section on Biblical giants.

Anyway, as has been said before - there is no such thing as 'biblical proof' (if there is then it can be filed under the same section as 'Narnia proof' and 'Zombie proof'.

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I go to a christian acadamy, so were taught to debate on nothing more than biblical proof.


Then you haven't got really anything to debate with. If all you have to go on is biblical &quotroof" you will find you will be easily shot down. Though I wouldn't be surprised if you ignore such things.

Would that be what you're talking about?


He's probably talking about this.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/odd/giantman.asp
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I'm going more with what MRWalker said. Giantism isn't a fantasy in the modern age; though very rare now, you could say that the "mutation" could have been more common back then. I believe they were called the Nephalim back in the day--quote me if I'm wrong. Anyway, going at this from a purely Survival-of-the-Fittest perspective, those with giantism were much larger and thus more capable of surviving in such primitive conditions, whereas now, we don't need physique to survive in general. They mated, and thus this mutation could get more common.

MageGrayWolf
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Anyway, going at this from a purely Survival-of-the-Fittest perspective, those with giantism were much larger and thus more capable of surviving in such primitive conditions, whereas now, we don't need physique to survive in general. They mated, and thus this mutation could get more common.


Many people with gigantism tend to have a number of health issues such as heart conditions that accompany it.
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Just found this for example. This is for modern days, so you can imagine what it would be thousands of years ago.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/925446-overview

Mortality/Morbidity

Because of the small number of people with gigantism, mortality and morbidity rates for this disease during childhood are unknown.

For individuals with acromegaly, the mortality rate is 2-3 times that of the general population. Successful treatment, with normalization of IGF-I levels, may be associated with a return to normal life expectancy. For persons with acromegaly, the most frequent causes of death are cardiovascular and respiratory complications.

Researchers disagree on whether malignancy is a significant cause of increased mortality. Although benign tumors (including uterine myomas, prostatic hypertrophy, and skin tags) are frequently encountered in acromegaly, documentation for overall prevalence of malignancies in patients with acromegaly remains controversial. Most studies suggest that as many as 30% of patients may have a premalignant colon polyp at diagnosis, and as many as 5% may have a colonic malignancy. However, the long-term effect of colonic lesions on morbidity and mortality has not been established.

No clear evidence supports an increased risk for lung, breast, or prostate cancer. As a significant cause of morbidity, sleep apnea may be both obstructive and central.
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