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tomertheking
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I saw that there isn't a thread about it. Anyway, I think that Israel won most than anyone else because that it shows that Isael isn't the one pressurising the US into attacking Iran.

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logantheking
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Well I think that the wiki-leaks leader needs to just disappear, he is causing a huge amount of damage to the US government and to the united states causes abroad.

tomertheking
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The main point of this all is that he doesn't care about that. He just want to leak the documents.

samy
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he is causing a huge amount of damage to the US government and to the united states causes abroad.


If they can't do it publicly they shouldn't be doing it at all.
logantheking
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If they can't do it publicly they shouldn't be doing it at all.

That may be true but the documents that have already been released have caused the deaths of U.S. informants abroad.
Really, does any government make everything public and reveal everything they do?
Asherlee
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That may be true but the documents that have already been released have caused the deaths of U.S. informants abroad.


That is not wikileaks' fault. The there should not have been documents that reveal such things. If you do not want something to be found, don't leave a trail.

Really, does any government make everything public and reveal everything they do?


This is a bit of a difficult question. It depends on the content and context.
wolf1991
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Okay, um call me uninformed, but what is this about? Can I have a link?

samy
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Wkileaks and what it is.

That may be true but the documents that have already been released have caused the deaths of U.S. informants abroad.


This is the only situation in which I agree there should be some secrecy, they should make the documents available but change information such as names current locations, etc.
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Wikileaks is a great organization/website. They uncensor the censored. They tell us what has so far been held from us. For better or for worse, we have a right to know. If it was THAT HUGE of a security threat to the US, they would take it out. Recently (sunday I think) wikileaks went under a DDOS, which seemed to have been done by indepents. If the US hackers were given the order, Wikileaks would be out of commision within the hour. Point being, the US hasn't done anything about it, so it seems the (so far) have no issue with it.

acepilot0
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Anything that endangers my life so some keyboard jockey can get his kicks on some leaked document isnt worth it.

logantheking
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This is the only situation in which I agree there should be some secrecy, they should make the documents available but change information such as names current locations, etc.

How are they supposed to do that? The have released hundreds of thousands of documents.



[quote]Really, does any government make everything public and reveal everything they do?


This is a bit of a difficult question. It depends on the content and context.[/quote]
Well if a certain document jeopardize something that the USA is trying to accomplish in the middle east, for example, how is making it know to the whole world without releasing the viewpoints of those who the documents are referring to help anyone? It only helps those who want to hurt the US. (Iran, N. Korea etc.)
samy
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How are they supposed to do that? The have released hundreds of thousands of documents.


Employ people to do it? Or better yet ask for a software to be made for them that helps to do this, I'm sure America wouldn't mind a few dollars to save some people's lives, haha no just kidding we all know they would mind.
logantheking
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Well the USA is already in so much debt they might think it is worth it to save a few bucks.
Also, wiki-media is a not-for-profit, how would they get the money to sift through all the material, even with software it would be very time-consuming

Darkroot
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Wikileaks just uploads the information, thought they have a small team that goes through it to make sure there isn't any spammed documents.

I think it's pretty funny. Why would you say or cover up those types of things. That like insulting someone behind their back and then being angry at a friend telling the individual what you said. I also love how people spew non-sense about this damaging trust between countries. but how can you build up trust on such arrogance.

I'll get more interesting when the rest of it is publish and the media sort thought the already huge pile they have right now.

Asherlee
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but how can you build up trust on such arrogance.


That is right! To bring this down to a personal level... You NEVER say anything to anyone about someone or something if you would not tell that person to their face. It's bad form. Now, we've been caught with our pants down and all we can do is point a finger.

I can't wait for the US bank documents to be released.
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If they can't do it publicly they shouldn't be doing it at all.


You have proven that you have no idea how war works.

Whether you support the war or not, you must understand that the government's first priority in any war is to be victorious with the least amount of casualties as possible.

War can not be won through means of morality and code of conduct. To say the military should not be allowed to operate under secrecy is unrealistic. Even if the documents leaked do not reveal current operations, future and current operations may still be placed in jeopardy.

Employ people to do it? Or better yet ask for a software to be made for them that helps to do this, I'm sure America wouldn't mind a few dollars to save some people's lives, haha no just kidding we all know they would mind.


Even if you change names and places around, the people mentioned will still be placed in danger. Understand that both sides have many experts who are trained to break codes and ravel together altered information.

I'm sure America wouldn't mind a few dollars to save some people's lives, haha no just kidding we all know they would mind.


I am actually very offended by this statement.

1. If it was as simple as spending money to create a program to protect these soldiers, I'm sure it would have been done.

2. A huge amount of money goes towards research on ways to protect our soldiers. To suggest that the government does not pay extra to protect them is nothing but an outright fabrication, an assumption triggered by emotion rather than logic.

Take a look at the armor our soldiers wear and the vehicles they drive. You're telling me that the government slacked off when it came to researching their defensive properties?

I'm sick of hearing people talk about the Americans as if they were Mr.Crabs. If the government isn't greedy, then it's the businessmen. I'm not saying that American's aren't greedy, it has just become this crutch for horrible arguments and false accusations.

Why would you say or cover up those types of things. That like insulting someone behind their back and then being angry at a friend telling the individual what you said.


Yeah, except for the fact we are in the middle of a war. It's like being at war with enemies, then having someone release documents that allow them to endanger the lives of your soldiers as well as allow them to figure out where they need to improve their defenses and raise security in the appropriate area...oh wait.
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