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tomertheking
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I saw that there isn't a thread about it. Anyway, I think that Israel won most than anyone else because that it shows that Isael isn't the one pressurising the US into attacking Iran.

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samy
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Well if a soldier or group of soldiers that are on the bottom level are to 'blame' should the entire country suffer?


This is a problem that has been going on for the last 234, give or take a few, if this is the only thing that can get the publics attention then I have to say so be it.
logantheking
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I understand that but then, he may be making this up. He had to have known what life would be like in the military to some extant

samdawghomie
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he may be making this up.


He he made up everything that has been poseted to cablegate.wikileaks.org, wikileaks.org, and diarydig.org then he is the most imaginative and inteligent man in the world.
logantheking
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I meant he may have made up or exaggerated the extent of the teasing.
The documents are real.

valkery
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The problem that I see is that the freaking US government left the biggest freaking trail to follow and no security to stop it. He goes in with a Lady Gaga CD and a flash drive and walks out with hundreds of thousands of classified files. That shouldn't happen. I am not saying that I am not glad that it did, I believe that it is every American's right to know what the heIl the government is up to. If they have a problem with it, or if people died, then tighten up security people! DUR!

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So it was a regular marine or whatever lowness of armyness that be!

And he just... "leaked" vital info... thats full of nothing so far but speculation etc

I smell a rotten fish.

Maverick4
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You do realize freedom of speech stops at things that hinder national security


Which then brings to light: is this really a threat? What would define a threat? It would just be to easy for the US to say "its a threat, hence, it must die". And if what you say is entirely true, then it would be way to simple for a great national emergency to take away my constitutional rights.
logantheking
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And if what you say is entirely true, then it would be way to simple for a great national emergency to take away my constitutional rights.

That is exactly what happened during WWI, Wilson had the espionage act passed and a clause inside of it made it illegal to criticize the government or the war. That law was on the books until the 50's.
Maverick4
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That is exactly what happened during WWI, Wilson had the espionage act passed and a clause inside of it made it illegal to criticize the government or the war. That law was on the books until the 50's.


Case and point.
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tomertheking
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I am aware of what the US gavernment did to the Indians in the 19th centuary. I think it was wrong, where did you get the idea that I supported it?


I was only trying to show that the US is a treacherous bully who wouldn't think twice of the livelihood of a person that they mark as second-class (which is everybody outside the US and half of those inside it)
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If wikileaks could get the infomation anyone could have got it. If America cares that little to protect there infomation they deserve to have it leaked. It is better for the whole world to know then just the taliban without America knowing they know it.

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Watch the full version if you have the time. First, they're killing armed individuals, then civilians, they chased them in apaches and slaughtered them.


Oh wow. This has never happened in a war before!
NoNameC68
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And now dozens of documents and videos are released, revealing the truth behind your government and some large corporations


The truth? What truth? We are in a war we shouldn't be in. Sure, the footage you linked to is horrible, but that's war. That footage should not be the drop that floods the cup.

Let's see, if you're anti-war, and you're posting documents that will STRAIN the bond between America and other countries, aren't you merely increasing the odds of another war?

Tom and Dan fight constantly. They finally shake hands and Tom tells Dan that he isn't entirely wrong, and that the fighting is both their fault. Susan then tells Dan that Tom was lying and thinks the world would be better without Tom. They were getting along, but Susan stirred the pot.

I'm not saying the American government is right, but anyone who is anti-war should understand that they are merely straining America's bond with other nations.

I don't agree with the war, but Wikileaks is not helping. If anything, it is only making things worse.

And now dozens of documents and videos are released, revealing the truth behind your government and some large corporations


Some large corporations? Enlighten me.
Darkroot
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I don't agree with the war, but Wikileaks is not helping. If anything, it is only making things worse.


It's unlikely that anything Wikileaks posts will lead to war, it isn't their intention. They just publish the truth of the immoral things America does in the war and now how bad your diplomacy is. It's really just showing you your error and making you change since everyone knows it. I'm betting on big reconstruction of you diplomacy after this charade.

STRAIN the bond between America and other countries, aren't you merely increasing the odds of another war?


What the point of a bond that's built of fear, intimidation and lies? It will eventually break with disastrous consequences. It's better to fix it now than later.

Also is war that bad? Doesn't destruction lead to creation and most wars start out because of imbalances in the world? So the end result of such a war could be better than the start. I'm just saying.
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