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AnaLoGMunKy
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So the world is changing.

Does it worry you?

This topic is in part about the rapid progress within the world and also about humanity having the best opportunities yet wasting them on individuals and logo's. Mage wrote a topic about "faceless inividuals" with a concern that we are merely following the herd, wearing the clothes that are socially acceptable (for the era) and claiming equality thru it all. Im worried about the mindless junk that is repeated on TV and Radio and I think it ties in directly.

This leads me to manipulation. We all manipulate. Its not a bad thing. However I am quite alarmed by the amount of social manipulation that has gone on with advertising and its many, many facets. Merely watch the second part of Century of the Self to gain an understanding on how Government and Corporation have both manipulated mass population into doing things like making women smoke. (I highly suggest the whole program)

I know that I tar government and corporations with the same black, greasy lie infested brush but can you blame me?

Anyone with a shred of intellect and who has studied and looked for the truth will agree that governments lie and so do corporations. The fact that individuals within these organisations have lied repeatedly for personal gain and to the detriment of all should be enough to cause dissent. Yet I am usually tagged as a "conspiracy theorist" or "anarchist" for voicing my concerns. Does my worry hold no weight?

Sometimes humans do a good thing by bringing each other back into line. Sometimes we cause great injustice by threat of alienation if someone speaks up.

And so once again the majority sit back and sink into blissful ignorance while a supposed "depression" goes on. Yet some people are richer than ever, the divide between rich and poor is greater, inflation has gone out of control and good food gets more and more expensive, drugs that help people are withheld and we are told that we cannot ingest "illegal drugs" on threat of criminalisation, jail... or far worse.

So perhaps my message of discontent is not for us all. Some people look on the bright side. Some people look to the light... others look directly AT the light. How does one person address all these things without having some foolproof plan and an argument backed up by endless links to other peoples finding that are all suspect anyway, especially if you dont want to believe the information.

So... How would you convey a message of the times?

How would you say it?

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NoNameC68
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So manipulation and lying in people is normal but lying when done by a supermassive corporation is a dangerous thing for us all.


Cigarette companies in certain part of the world must post disturbing pictures of what may happen to people if they smoke, as required by law. This seems to be the government's solution for counter manipulation, which is still manipulation but from the government.

Corporations lie, and people fall for those lies. Sometimes they get in trouble and other times they don't. Sometimes you just have to let people be swindled.

I remember when Cash4Gold hit TV commercials. You send them gold, they send you cash. I instantly knew Cash4Gold was a rip off. You send in your products, and they mail you back cash. They don't give you an offer, so you're stuck with what they give you. Obviously their goal is to make a profit, and when they say "cut out the middle man", they ARE the middleman.

What can I say? They somehow got the money to play a commercial during the super bowl. It's a shame people fell for Cash4Gold, but you can't hold everyone's hands all the time.

Apple computers are a rip off. But people are happy with them. I think you have to be crazy to spend so much money on so little just because it's layout is deceptively simple.

Do you want to be the life of the party? Bring good alcohol. Want to get with a hot chick? Bring alcohol. People in the alcohol business also use manipulation to sell their product.

I believe you should be able to sell anything you want as long as other people aren't being forced to buy it. If you allow the government to have a tight grip on how you market your product, then you give them control over your products as well. The government wants to limit the amount of salts used in our foods, but shouldn't I be the one who chooses? If I want to smoke without some nasty picture on my cigarettes, shouldn't that be my choice? If I want to buy raw foods, shouldn't I be allowed to do so?

We can't allow corporations to lie about their product, but we have to give them some room to maneuver or the government will have the power to limit corporations in other ways. Remember, the rules applied to big corporations are also applied to small businesses that may have no more than 20 employees. Not only that, but there's so many different ways a company can be manipulative. It's impossible to stop manipulation without the government becoming totalitarian and it's hard to find a line. It's easier to simply live with corporations "manipulating" people. So what if people buy their product, most of the time people aren't getting hurt.

Part of being an adult is learning how to make your own decisions. We can't depend on the government to hold our hands throughout our whole life. If freedom means allowing corporations to be manipulative, so be it. People should be allowed to think for themselves. To cease manipulation means you must allow the government to think for you.
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Time will tell all!

AnaLoGMunKy
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The government wants to limit the amount of salts used in our foods, but shouldn't I be the one who chooses?


What the government should enforce is that the company has to put all ingredients etc on the packaging, regardless of how many hands the ingredients passed thru.

Also the government should bring into practice the teaching or understanding of basic law. This should be taught in school. They are happy to teach religion after all, why not some basic laws and things to be aware of. It cannot be left to people like me to bring up these issues because people dont really listen to people like me, only people who are aware of the issue in the first place seem to listen and thats just not enough.
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Nope, progress... civilisations rise and fall etc etc.

domecraft
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With the way technology is rapidly increasing, it does worry me a bit.

manny6574
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I do think about the expected 60 years before me and think about it very often.

Einfach
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I am all for knowledge and information, but I am completely opposed to restrictions on individual choice.

jroyster22
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History continuously repeats itself. As broad, basic, and simple as that statements sounds, it is something that should be taken into consideration when discussing our culture as a whole progressing towards a new change. Has this happened before?

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I am worried that one day, we wont know anything about our great past. We would just go around in spaceships destroying rocks!

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new world =?

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I wont mind as long if we still have video games.

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