DISCLAIMER: This is my opinion. I do not care if you like my opinion or not, should you disagree with my opinion then do so sensibly. This thread is meant to bash certain genres of music. This isn't spam because it is a reasonable topic to discuss. You have been informed and warned.
2010 is almost over, and thank god for that, because this decade has seen the death of music as we know it. I'll give credit to the year 2000 for not giving us a world of fail, but that's when it really started. It's like we've gone back to the 70's and 80's of one hit wonders, except this time the music isn't all that impressive, in fact it's complete and utter crap. Let's wind back the clocks to the one hit wonders, one of my favourites is Video Killed the Radio Star. Now, someone is inevitably going to pick up that I like this song, but am bashing other songs for doing what this song does, which is repeat the same lyrics over and over again. However, unlike today back then that song required something I call talent. Let's move on.
Rap. Let me explain this VERY carefully to you rap fans. Rap is NOT music. Rap is poetic verse filled with swearing, degrading women and whining on how hard life is. And yet these rappers are millionaires. Not only is this hypocrisy, it's stupidity worthy of a politician. Rap can't be classified as music because what's making the music? There is no music it's a beat and there's rhymes, most of these rhymes either are forced OR they DON'T RHYME! Seriously someone like 50 Cent should not be idolized as a "great artist" or a "great musician" these people slaughter language simply to make a new language that doesn't even make sense half the time. TALKING TO A BEAT DOES NOT MEAN YOU'RE MAKING MUSIC! It means you're reciting terrible poetry.
RnB. Also known as rhythm and blues. The problem with this genre aside from making terrible songs that talk about being rich or some strange love affair or something a normal person cannot comprehend? There's a lack of rhythm and last time I checked, most the songs do not qualify under the genre of blues.
Techno. It's a machine making sounds. More strange talking to beats. End of story.
Pop/Whatever Lady Gaga and them are. Where do I even begin? Justin Beiber, Kesha, Lady Gaga and whoever else has risen from the Land of Failtastic Music. Again as with rap there's no music here. You plugged in some sounds, made a techno beat and began talking to it. I could pull Joe Average from the street and do the same thing with him if I desired, then throw it on youtube and watch as the great mass of stupidity that is humanity applaud him for his "wonderful music". Not only does this genre require the barest of minimum talent it also makes absolute NO FREAKIN SENSE. For example Kesha and I quote "I wake up in the morning feeling like P Diddy". On what level of sane do you even qualify that as...well, anything? I'm not adverse to some lyrics not making sense for instance Our Lady Peace has some strange ones. Take their song Carnival one of the lines reads: "Sign says yoga class for cats" however there's a song behind that line, and some type of meaning. Kesh and company have yet to show me anything but, well I'm no longer sure. I'm out of words for this genre, it's beyond anything I can remotely understand. How it's classyfied as music remains a mystery.
So, what happened to how music used to be? You know bands that got together, had some form of skill vocally and intrumentally and had to prove that they could actually create music. Think back to the 70's, 80's and 90's all those rock bands, and yeah the origins of techno and hell, even rappers had some form of music back then. But now it's as if the world of music has degenerated in finding either the strangest people, or those that look like plastic and having them talk to a beat about things that don't even make sense. I'm just glad guys like Our Lady Peace haven't left us quite yet.
an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color.
the tones or sounds employed, occurring in single line (melody) or multiple lines (harmony), and sounded or to be sounded by one or more voices or instruments, or both.
musical work or compositions for singing or playing.
the written or printed score of a musical composition.
Now, I've been a music man since I was 10. So I don't like their [rap, rnb, pop] music. But as an experienced musician, I can certify that those above ARE music. You're ranting, Wolf, and you're clearly not giving credit to the genres that contain good. They all contain good songs, good emotion, good color, good styles and elements. Techno is just machine-making sounds? That's it? Sure, the majority of Techno is non-organic, but again, this is a style of music, this is how Techno artists express their talents, with this style and these elements.
Now you may see Rap as monotonous talking with phat beats and expressing dominance, but that's not all of it. There is clearly melodic and harmonic lines played in MANY of the genre's library. If you cannot find these lines, then you need to learn how to perceive them. I do not like this genre either, but it's music. It adheres to each and every one of those definitions listed above. If it is music, it has artists, and those artists deserve what their talents brought them.
it's beyond anything I can remotely understand
If it's beyond anything you can remotely understand, then I suggest you understand it before you rant on how "terrible" these genres are.
hm. alright lets get this started. allow me to enlighten you on your ignorance.
Rap is poetic verse filled with swearing, degrading women and whining on how hard life is. And yet these rappers are millionaires
stereo type also not true.
Rap can't be classified as music because what's making the music? There is no music it's a beat and there's rhymes, most of these rhymes either are forced OR they DON'T RHYME!
music: the written score of a composition of sounds. cant argue with that.
Seriously someone like 50 Cent should not be idolized as a "great artist" or a "great musician" these people slaughter language simply to make a new language that doesn't even make sense half the time.
and hes not, 50 cent is a joke. get off your radio stations and go to a record store. listen to artists like Nas, eric B and Rakim, Jay-Z, kanye west etc. thats called good rap. dont try and bash a genre you know nothing about.
TALKING TO A BEAT DOES NOT MEAN YOU'RE MAKING MUSIC!
its not singing but its deffinatly music
It's a machine making sounds. More strange talking to beats. End of story.
whats the problem with that? i feel like your one of those people that judges music based on the people who listen to it.
"I wake up in the morning feeling like P Diddy"
your reading comprehension must be a minnimum if you dont understand this.
P-diddy is a raper who is very rich. so if you wake up in the morning feeling like him, its saying your waking up in the morning feeling like a celebraty.
rock isnt the best peach ever either. crap like brokencyde and blood on the dance floor is absolute garbage. crap like nickle back is absolutley horrible too, slipknot is quite medeocre at song writing and highley over rated.
in general rock is mainly love songs, face it, rock is either about 1 of the following, breaking up, wanting someone back, wanting someone in general, wanting to be hurt or complaining of being hurt. now this is not all rock. but before you go bashing other genres for the song writing go ahead and take a look at some of the song writing in your prefered genre, its not taht good it self alot of the time.
its not that i dont respect you for not liking rap or techno or pop or whatever, i disrespect you for your ignorance in WHY you dont like them. FOR EXAMPLE
i dont like country because i dont like the sond of the singers and alot of what i hear from it is just bad. THAT DOESNT MEAN ITS ALL BAD
in general rock is mainly love songs, face it, rock is either about 1 of the following, breaking up, wanting someone back, wanting someone in general, wanting to be hurt or complaining of being hurt. now this is not all rock.
It's not the majority of it either. It's more like a small chunk.
i dont like country because i dont like the sond of the singers and alot of what i hear from it is just bad.
I don't like the style of Country either, but you gotta admit, those guys have talent! I especially love the country bands that have fiddle players.
WARNING: This is gonna be lengthy, but I figured you'd appreciate a well-thought out response. Delossantosj & Freakenstein have both provided good points, but I suppose i'll throw in my 2 cents as well.
Rap: It's painfully obvious that you know nothing about rap, or hip-hop culture in general. If I had a dollar for everytime some ****** on a forum said "RAPPERZ ONLY RAP ABOT BICHEZ AND MUNNEY!!1", I'd have a ****load of money. If you're trying to prove a point about something you are doomed to fail if you're ignorant about the topic. Saul Williams, Busdriver, A Tribe Called Quest, The Pharcyde, Fatlip, The Roots. There's 6 rap artists/groups (old & new) off the top of my head that's lyrical themes are not even close to bragging about money or drugs. And saying that rapping takes no talent is, for lack of a better word, stupid. I would really like to see you deliver a flow as smoothly as [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKjj4hk0pV4]THIS[/url].
You seem to be a very immature individual. Hopefully someday you will simply grow up a little and realize that just because you don't prefer a certain type of music doesn't mean you can just dismiss it as talentless garbage.
RnB: Reading your little rant about this literally made me facepalm. THIS is RnB. Do a little research next time, dude.
Techno: You complain about techno because it's "machines making sounds", but you like Video Killed the Radiostar? You do realize that the Buggles (band that performed Video Killed...) were synthpop, right? Synthesizers are machines that "make sound" as well. Btw, not all electronic dance music (edm) is "techno". There's house, dubstep, hardstyle, trance etc, etc. Sorry that's just a pet peeve of mine. If it's just "machines making sounds" then you make something this EPIC and we'll talk
And I don't even listen to modern pop so I'm not gonna comment on that.
So, what happened to how music used to be? You know bands that got together, had some form of skill vocally and intrumentally and had to prove that they could actually create music.
So you're saying that doesn't exist anymore?... *facepalm* (second one so far, buddy). There's still actual bands that are extremely popular, quit playing dumb. If you're listening to pop/rap stations on the radio trying to find rock/metal/alternative/whatever bands than you're doing it wrong.
Yeesh - I HATE rap with a passion but I'm gonna have to defend it here. No way is it all just about teh ho's and teh moneyz in da hood - some of it ( I dare say a lot of it) has deeper meaning and is akin to good poetry in music form. You're hatin' on rap because a fair amount of the commercialized stuff IS about bein' rich with a ***** and shiz bro - seriously though, it's only widely commercialized because haters gonna hate and promote the track to say how terrible it is and lovers gonna love and buy that shiz straight down.
Music is whatever can be considered music. So what. You don't like rap, rhythm and blues, or pop. Some people like it. Some people don't like heavy metal. But others do.
It's all about perspective. I don't like rap and heavy metal, I like whatever song I like. If a song is catchy and has a nice beat, I'll download it onto my iTunes.
I like Lady Gaga, but don't like Ke$ha or Justin Bieber. Just because I like one artist from the genre, doesn't mean I like all.
I like rock most of all, but I'm open minded and will like others. I like some rap songs, not a lot, but some.
What I'm saying is, just because you consider it bad music, doesn't mean that others consider it bad music. Actually, it is progress. Your grandparents didn't like the music your parents listened to, most likely, but it doesn't mean it was bad.
face it, rock is either about 1 of the following, breaking up, wanting someone back, wanting someone in general, wanting to be hurt or complaining of being hurt.
[quote]eh not even more a 60% majority id say. i still love it though lol
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Nope. Nirvana. Bush. Led Zeppelin. Our Lady Peace. The Strokes. The Shins. Green Day. Oasis. Pink Floyd. Pixies. Albert Hammond Jr. White Stripes. Smashing Pumpkins. Wolfmother. The Who. Jimi Hendrix. Eric Clapton, meh some songs, but he is more acoustic than anything. Franz Ferdinand. Fountains of Wayne. Cake. The Bravery. blink-182.
Nope. Nirvana. Bush. Led Zeppelin. Our Lady Peace. The Strokes. The Shins. Green Day. Oasis. Pink Floyd. Pixies. Albert Hammond Jr. White Stripes. Smashing Pumpkins. Wolfmother. The Who. Jimi Hendrix. Eric Clapton, meh some songs, but he is more acoustic than anything. Franz Ferdinand. Fountains of Wayne. Cake. The Bravery. blink-182.
dude i could name a song by pretty much EVERY atrist you listed taht has written atleast 10 of the kinds of songs i said, nirvana deffinatly has, bush DEFFINATLY has, led zepplin has written a number of those songs, the strokes i know have, i dont know our lady peace or the shins so i wont comment on them, greenday deffinatly has XD, if you say wonderwall isnt a love song ill kick your shins, pixies have, pink floyd has, smashing pumpkins have, eric clapton was in cream so yes he has, cake has lol, bravery has, blink 182 defffinatly has.
now heres the flip side, i love every single artist you have listed . you failed to make your point
dude i could name a song by pretty much EVERY atrist you listed taht has written atleast 10 of the kinds of songs i said, nirvana deffinatly has, bush DEFFINATLY has, led zepplin has written a number of those songs, the strokes i know have, i dont know our lady peace or the shins so i wont comment on them, greenday deffinatly has XD, if you say wonderwall isnt a love song ill kick your shins, pixies have, pink floyd has, smashing pumpkins have, eric clapton was in cream so yes he has, cake has lol, bravery has, blink 182 defffinatly has.
Prove it. Name at least 25 for every artist. He said 60 percent. I'm pretty sure every single artist has made over 50 songs. 25 is below 60%.
i said 60 percent of rock bands have. its just a standard, its not a bad thing, i was using it as an example to say dont say a genres music is all the same till you look at yours.
i said 60 percent of rock bands have. its just a standard, its not a bad thing, i was using it as an example to say dont say a genres music is all the same till you look at yours.
You say 60 percent of all rock songs are about love. So if every band up there has made over 50 songs, then I assume 30 of them are about love. Start. Name 30 songs for each band that is up there.
