On Wednesday, January 19th, the house voted 245-189 (all Republicans, and 3 Democrats) to repeal the Healthcare Law. I was curious as to what AG's response would be to this.
the health care system is maybe one of the most importarnt reasons why I will never, ever move to the US. (another one is the gun laws and the tea party, because it is maybe even worse than the pvv.)
-the top 5% of the hospitals of america is maybe slightly better than the top 5% in my country (NL). true. another difference: in america, you can only go to that top 5% of the hospitals if you are the top 5% in richness. in NL (denmark, germany...), you can go to those hospitals if it is neccesairy.
-I have a payable assurance, while I am a student whith a scholarship at the bottom of what is available (my parents are dual earners. we don't have a pool or something like that in the back yard. middle class.) I am an authist, the government pays a part of what I need to get the same chanses as a 'normal' person (known as a 'backpack'
any chance that almost everything is included? tooth care, operations, everything! that's only because the government forces all insurances to take everyone, and not to exclude things that are risky.
I trust my government (which isn't a very much) more then I trust a fortune 500 company. The company will screw me over in a heart beat for my cash, the government will at least try not to screw me over.
Why should you believe that about your government. Government naturally wants nothing except for its own continuance. And democracy results in tyranny of the majority.
I trust my government (which isn't a very much) more then I trust a fortune 500 company. The company will screw me over in a heart beat for my cash, the government will at least try not to screw me over.
That's not how it works at all.
It's more like, at least you have a choice whether to do business with that company or not. The government forces you to do business with them or they will send you to jail.
And democracy results in tyranny of the majority.
And we should aim for the tyranny of the few? I don't quite understand.
The government forces you to do business with them or they will send you to jail.
A little oversimplified, but does a company send you to jail. Can a company buy your property from you without your consent? Can the company force you to give them money? The government can.
The government can demand I wear a bike helmet when I drive my motorcycle. This forces me to purchase something for my own protection. Same way with car insurance, if you drive your car without insurance, you can get arrested and go to jail.
Ah, so the government protects those who are too stupid to protect themselves? Don't worry, though, all the things governments have ever done have been for people's "rotection."
Interesting, seeing as how the Fortune 500 companies regualary run profits, wheras the US government is 14 Trillion under.
The fact that Fortune 500 companies regularly run profits shows that people trust them - not that consensus is truth, but, you know.
The fact that the US government is 14 T under, and that they have a greater debt than the highest legitimate Gemcraft Chapter 0 score every recorded (which was like 13 Trillion), shows that they are trying too hard to make people trust them.
Look at the European countries; they all have universal healthcare and they have been doing fine. They have larger governments than us and we still complain. Their social democratic government have high taxes, tons of pensions, and the have basic rights such as a free healthcare, education, and the right to live in a dwelling.
Obama's healthcare plan saved us as the current healthcare policy was draining our funds.
Look at the European countries; they all have universal healthcare and they have been doing fine. They have larger governments than us and we still complain. Their social democratic government have high taxes, tons of pensions, and the have basic rights such as a free healthcare, education, and the right to live in a dwelling
Keywords: Social Democratic Government. We have a different type of Gov in the US, so what works for them may not be the best for us. Another thing is, I can break my leg in the EU, and THEY have to pay for it. So guys, go over to the EU for all your medical needs!
Obama's healthcare plan saved us as the current healthcare policy was draining our funds.
Because I'd totally pick the rock over the hard place. -_-
Look at the European countries; they all have universal healthcare and they have been doing fine.
Why strive to mimic the image of one failing system when we can create an even better one?
Their social democratic government have high taxes, tons of pensions,
Even though you acknowledge that taxes are incredibly high, you are still in favor of social programs?
Without health care, you get to save your own money until you are sick, then you get to pay for health care. With national health care, you must keep paying money, even when you aren't sick. When you are finally sick, you get whatever money is left over and untouched by everyone else.
The poor do benefit, but why should we create a nation that revolves around protecting the poor when we can focus on eradicating poverty and create a nation full of self reliable citizens?
and the have basic rights such as a free healthcare, education, and the right to live in a dwelling.
This is a VERY common mistake that people make, and it is very important you understand what it is. When you talk about the people's rights, you're talking about protection from the government.
Let's look at the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You are allowed to pursue these things. The government can not unjustly take these things away from you. They are NOT things that the government must provide the people.
A right to free healthcare. This is automatically wrong because the health care comes from your taxes. So please allow me to rephrase.
A right to health care you are being forced to pay for through coercion is not a "right". It is an entitlement, and in this case it is a forced entitlement.
If you have a right to live in a home, it means the government can't take your home away unjustly. It does NOT mean the government must provide you with shelter.
Obama's healthcare plan saved us as the current healthcare policy was draining our funds.
Draining our funds?! What funds are you talking about? You are already contradicting yourself! You're saying national health care will save us money when you JUST admitted that it would cause an increase in taxes.
Why strive to mimic the image of one failing system when we can create an even better one?
It isn't failing. Ours is failing.
Even though you acknowledge that taxes are incredibly high, you are still in favor of social programs?
Without health care, you get to save your own money until you are sick, then you get to pay for health care. With national health care, you must keep paying money, even when you aren't sick. When you are finally sick, you get whatever money is left over and untouched by everyone else.
With healthcare you have to pay a monthly premium even when you are not sick. No matter if you pay for healthcare to the government or insurance companies, you are still paying when you aren't sick.
The poor do benefit, but why should we create a nation that revolves around protecting the poor when we can focus on eradicating poverty and create a nation full of self reliable citizens?
The economy works when there is a rich and poor. It would be impossible to eradicate the poor. There is no upper and middle class alone without a working class. Who is going to work at Burger King or sweep floors or drive dumpster trucks?
This is a VERY common mistake that people make, and it is very important you understand what it is. When you talk about the people's rights, you're talking about protection from the government.
Let's look at the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You are allowed to pursue these things. The government can not unjustly take these things away from you. They are NOT things that the government must provide the people.
A right to free healthcare. This is automatically wrong because the health care comes from your taxes. So please allow me to rephrase.
A right to health care you are being forced to pay for through coercion is not a "right". It is an entitlement, and in this case it is a forced entitlement.
So if I buy a candy bar, I don't have the right to eat it? Look, people are paying more for their healthcare to insurance companies than what they would pay to the government. Insurance companies make much more of a profit while the government only needs to provide the healthcare.
If you have a right to live in a home, it means the government can't take your home away unjustly. It does NOT mean the government must provide you with shelter.
They can't take away your home if you live in it. Obviously they won't pay for you to have a home, but they can't take it away. Many houses are being foreclosured, and people are being evicted from their homes. In the EU, you can't do that.
Draining our funds?! What funds are you talking about? You are already contradicting yourself! You're saying national health care will save us money when you JUST admitted that it would cause an increase in taxes.
Economist Greg Mankiw makes an excellent point about the debate over health care reform's effect on the deficit:
[quote]I have a plan to reduce the budget deficit. The essence of the plan is the federal government writing me a check for $1 billion. The plan will be financed by $3 billion of tax increases. According to my back-of-the envelope calculations, giving me that $1 billion will reduce the budget deficit by $2 billion.
Now, you may be tempted to say that giving me that $1 billion will not really reduce the budget deficit. Rather, you might say, it is the tax increases, which have nothing to do with my handout, that are reducing the budget deficit. But if you are tempted by that kind of sloppy thinking, you have not been following the debate over healthcare reform.
some facts about the government in the netherlands (where I live.)
-it's a more-party system. handy, because you can choose from several party's which all have a chance to become part of the government, because there is almost never a party that gets more than 50% of the votes.
-this results in long discussions, which end in that most are happy. (poldermodel.)
-left-winged people vote left-winged party's. right winged people vote right winged party's, middle party's, christian, atheistic, pro-immigrant, anti-immigrant, and combined.there are alot. some bigger, some smaller.
-we HAVE freedom of speech. sometimes, that's a pitty, I think. (do you know that guy wich uses hydrogen peroxide a little to much?)
-we have a economy wich WORKS
-if I lose my job, I get a little money from the government.(however, not more than you need for your basic needs.) my school is paid by the government. I don't even have to pay for my books. if I get incapicitated, I get some money from the government. if I commit a crime, I get into a jail where are enough cells, I get rehalibation, I am not send out because there are to many criminals and I am not the worst of them, I don't have a advantage when I look good, because we have a system where someone who has learnt the laws decides what will happen to me, and not someone who is picked from the street. and I could go on and on..
-it's a more-party system. handy, because you can choose from several party's which all have a chance to become part of the government, because there is almost never a party that gets more than 50% of the votes.
-this results in long discussions, which end in that most are happy. (poldermodel.)
-left-winged people vote left-winged party's. right winged people vote right winged party's, middle party's, christian, atheistic, pro-immigrant, anti-immigrant, and combined.there are alot. some bigger, some smaller.
-we HAVE freedom of speech. sometimes, that's a pitty, I think. (do you know that guy wich uses hydrogen peroxide a little to much?)
-we have a economy wich WORKS
-if I lose my job, I get a little money from the government.(however, not more than you need for your basic needs.) my school is paid by the government. I don't even have to pay for my books. if I get incapicitated, I get some money from the government. if I commit a crime, I get into a jail where are enough cells, I get rehalibation, I am not send out because there are to many criminals and I am not the worst of them, I don't have a advantage when I look good, because we have a system where someone who has learnt the laws decides what will happen to me, and not someone who is picked from the street. and I could go on and on..
I love you. But seriously, this is exactly how it should be.
