Thus, if this is true, then for God to exist and interact with the system, he MUST defy logic.
Wouldn't his interactions just be factored in? Or, isn't it possible that he wouldn't have to defy logic, considering we don't have the mathematical knowledge required to predict everything and can't make that judgment from there? All of my knowledge relating to this is based on wikipedia articles and the internet, so my knowledge on this has some gaping holes. DX
. . . also, just remembered about this . . . wouldn't we not be able to predict everything mathematically, because virtual particles are popping in and out of existence in what seems like no pattern, like what sonata is saying?
and i think i remember a thing about super small wormholes that allow electrons to bamf around??? ... i mean one of my friends who is a physics major said something about it once upon a time. (something about it being one of hour dimensions in our universe... b/c there are more then are perceived (typical 3) by us i think...)
but this is beyond my current knowledge... so i don't know if he was messing w/ me or being truthful
. . . also, just remembered about this . . . wouldn't we not be able to predict everything mathematically, because virtual particles are popping in and out of existence in what seems like no pattern, like what sonata is saying?
Seemingly random =/= no pattern - there must be a reason, because I don't see how something like this could just happen spontaneously (there would have to be an underlying reason for that).
Wouldn't his interactions just be factored in?
Yes. But if this is true, then God has no control over his own actions - He would be an automaton.
and i think i remember a thing about super small wormholes that allow electrons to bamf around??? ... i mean one of my friends who is a physics major said something about it once upon a time. (something about it being one of hour dimensions in our universe...
Wouldn't wormholes alter the amount of potential energy in the universe, thus defying the first law of thermodynamics? There has to be some control to prevent the potential energy from being altered...I have not learned of any. (like Hawking radiation for Black Holes).
See, I'm wondering how it works as an argument to say that we can definitely predict everything in the Universe mathematically and therefore God interacting with the system defies logic when we're not actually sure if determinism is valid through mathematically predicting things - the virtual particles at least challenge the validity of predicting everything mathematically.
The only alternative to physicalism is a form of holism. Holism defies logic because things must be explainable, otherwise it violates the law of non-contradiction. Thus, physicalism must be.
laws are statements that are posed that have been tested time and time again that have been proven true countless times... and to my knowledge have not been proven false under the circumstances at which they occur. if we've never confirmed wormholes then we've never confirmed that this law holds true w/ that thrown into the mix... if it transports it somewhere else then it still says w/in the system... it just bamfs somewhere else right?
Seemingly random =/= no pattern - there must be a reason, because I don't see how something like this could just happen spontaneously (there would have to be an underlying reason for that).
I'm not trying to say that there's no pattern . . . and sorry, you ninja'd me, so I didn't see the post earlier DX
Quite frankly, I don't see why there has to be a reason for it occurring. Or, at least, I don't see how we know it can be mathematically predicted as to why and when it is occurring.
Yes. But if this is true, then God has no control over his own actions - He would be an automaton.
I want to make it clear that I'm not theist first of all, so I'm not going to make any faith-based arguments. But how does having actions being predictable (even though the virtual particles put forward a serious challenge to the idea that everything is predictable) make someone or something an automation? It would just mean that the decisions they choose to make could be predicted or foreseen, which again we're not anywhere near sure about.
Wouldn't wormholes alter the amount of potential energy in the universe, thus defying the first law of thermodynamics? There has to be some control to prevent the potential energy from being altered...I have not learned of any. (like Hawking radiation for Black Holes).
Don't wormholes have another end where everything would come out? It would be more of an interdimensional transportation than existence ceasing.
I'm mostly asking for more explanation/clarification here, because I don't have a very fleshed-out knowledge on this. Not to use the age excuse, but I'm not educated in physics yet because I'm taking Physics I next year when I enter high school . . . and I haven't autodidacted all of this with the power of the internet, so my knowledge is lacking a bit here.
The only alternative to physicalism is a form of holism. Holism defies logic because things must be explainable, otherwise it violates the law of non-contradiction. Thus, physicalism must be.
Explainability =/= predictability, right? Physicalism and causal determinism aren't necessarily attached at the hip, are they?
Yes, wormholes have another end where everything comes out - that's the point: such a mechanism would alter the amount of potential energy in the universe.
. . . okay then >_> Like I said, this isn't exactly my area of expertise.
Yes, wormholes have another end where everything comes out - that's the point: such a mechanism would alter the amount of potential energy in the universe.
As long as they're intra-universe, wouldn't that not be a problem? It would just be moving from point A to point B, through a "tunnel" in spacetime. It wouldn't necessarily be any energy slipping away or potentially leaving the Universe and altering the potential amount of energy in the Universe, it would just be matter moving through a tunnel in spacetime within the same Universe.
maybe the law of thermodynamics doesn't apply to just this plane... but all planes... only b/c they hardly ever mingle does it seem like it applies to this one (granted there are others) 0____o
