What I'm wondering is how intra-Universe wormholes violate the first law of thermodynamics. As long as they're contained in the Universe, the energy is never leaving, it's just being transported in a way we would view as unconventional. Sort of like the fourth spatial dimension - it's still in this Universe, with ana and kata and the W axis and all, it's just that we can't perceive or accurately conceptualize it.
What I'm wondering is how intra-Universe wormholes violate the first law of thermodynamics.
Imagine a wormhole at the bottom of a room that teleports one to the top of a room (just imagine it). Gravity pulls objects down. Like something right out of trollscience, you put an object into the wormhole, and it transports it to the top. So an overly simplistic thing, but do you get the idea of how you create potential energy by having a wormhole.
Imagine a wormhole at the bottom of a room that teleports one to the top of a room (just imagine it). Gravity pulls objects down. Like something right out of trollscience, you put an object into the wormhole, and it transports it to the top. So an overly simplistic thing, but do you get the idea of how you create potential energy by having a wormhole.
Yeah till your realize that it equals the amount you need to maintain or create it. Physics doesn't stop working just because of the existence of objects that are hard to understand.
Imagine a wormhole at the bottom of a room that teleports one to the top of a room (just imagine it). Gravity pulls objects down. Like something right out of trollscience, you put an object into the wormhole, and it transports it to the top. So an overly simplistic thing, but do you get the idea of how you create potential energy by having a wormhole.
This would, of course, have to be on a planet or by another source of gravity, because gravity doesn't pull objects down, it pulls them towards other masses. But yeah, I think I get it - it creates potential energy by creating a loop where you're disobeying gravity and continually going through the wormhole. Or am I missing something? DX
Owait, what darkroot said >_> I understand it better now. The energy required to maintain the wormhole equals the energy it takes to create it . . . so as long as the wormhole is contained entirely intra-Universe, it *doesn't* violate the first law of thermodynamics . . . . >_>
This would, of course, have to be on a planet or by another source of gravity, because gravity doesn't pull objects down, it pulls them towards other masses. But yeah, I think I get it - it creates potential energy by creating a loop where you're disobeying gravity and continually going through the wormhole. Or am I missing something? DX
Nope - such a thing defies the first law of thermodynamics - see?
troll science you say? i think its more like portal...
your idea of a law may be a little skewed... a law has never been proven false under the circumstances present and witnessed... if they exist then our idea of this law may be slightly wrong. what i'm trying to say is that if we can induce unnatural phenomena (or natural phenomena at an unnatrual level) then maybe the supposed laws as we see them start having holes punched in them b/c they're so rigid... or maybe i'm just totally wrong
Before this gets offtopic, I would just like to sum this up.
So basically, God can do everything that doesn't defy logic. But, if he can't defy logic, then he isn't omnipotent, as there is one thing that he cannot do.
Nope - such a thing defies the first law of thermodynamics - see?
How does simply traveling through a wormhole create more energy? It's not like you're actually (lol, I love troll science) holding two giant conductors and using the wormhole for electric induction. You're just traveling across spacetime, which doesn't create energy.
So basically, God can do everything that doesn't defy logic. But, if he can't defy logic, then he isn't omnipotent, as there is one thing that he cannot do.
It's not logically possible to defy logic, so that's not a problem.
your idea of a law may be a little skewed... a law has never been proven false under the circumstances present and witnessed... if they exist then our idea of this law may be slightly wrong. what i'm trying to say is that if we can induce unnatural phenomena (or natural phenomena at an unnatrual level) then maybe the supposed laws as we see them start having holes punched in them b/c they're so rigid... or maybe i'm just totally wrong
I'm pretty sure that the laws of thermodynamics are supposed to be unbreakable - not general things.
Certain thought experiments, such as Maxwell's Demon, have been proposed to show that the second law of thermodynamics may not be completely true. However, this defines the first law.
And I just thought that the trollscience was appropriate to the discussion, and you like to put humor in your posts, Sonata, so it was a little side-thing.
