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tiger25691
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I think every other country would just come in and step all over us because we either are hated or we owe money.

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NoNameC68
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we need a government, that's the reason why we have one.


It exists, therefore we need?

I guess this justifies corruption, murder, grape, ans so on. They all exist, therefore there must be a reason and that reason must be that they are requirements to every day living.
Squidbears
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i think we need government to... connect everyone in our country. It protects the citizens and such

samy
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Anyway... We would all die very unhappy deaths. Our children would all murder us. Humanity would fail. The end.


Sorry I was skimming trough and saw this, but wait lol wut? Beyond having the tenacity to state that our county would "fail" you think that would cause a global market crisis? Even further assuming it did cause all global markets to fail you think that a depression would be the death of our species?

I can understand some of the libertarian's arguments but that's just ridiculous.
Einfach
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I can understand some of the libertarian's arguments but that's just ridiculous.


I think that to use this argument as a legitimate libertarian argument is fallacious in itself. Jeol probably had a brain fart or something - not being able to explain what he wanted, and he couldn't edit his post because AG doesn't let you.
Kevin4762
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Yes it does. Libertarianism does not work in urban and suburban areas.

[quote]And masturbation doesn't work in public bathrooms.
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Then you just proved my point.

Who pays for them?

[quote]The people who want the roads. You want to go from point A to point B but there's no direct route to that location. You notice other people also want to go from point A to point B, so you pool your money together with everyone who SUPPORTS the road and hire a company to build it.
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You realize no society has ever done that and I doubt that will ever work. At least universal healthcare has been tested and actually works. This hasn't ever happened.

Why would pay for this? Would there be an admission fee?

[quote]I don't know. It's up to whoever owns the park. If you say "I think it would be great to own a park here." You would raise money to build that park. You would rely on donations. If your donations will benefit you in some way, the decision to pay really isn't that hard to make.
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Like Six Flags? Well then, the only thing to do is either stay in your home, or waste your money on breathing fresh air and smelling grass.

Do you know what welfare is? People who make minimum wage are on welfare.

[quote]So? I don't see how giving them my money fixes the problem at all.
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The problem of them being poor? Well, money can do many things. It gives them food, clothing, and, possibly, a shelter.

Yet you previously said that Libertarianism included that, or whatever "Pretty much" means.

[quote]Libertarian is, as everything else, a loose term. Some Libertarians support this, some support that, some don't support much of anything while others support much more.
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Libertariansim, is a loose term. So, there is anarchist-libertarian and just straight up libertarian.

I am not saying it wouldn't exist, but pure capitalism is never a good idea, just like pure anything is never a good idea. Just look at Cuba and Venezuela. One tries to be pure communist, one tries to be pure capitalist. Both turn into fascist. Both control the army.

[quote]Both became Statist societies. We aim to cut the size of the state so that it holds very little power. Some even wish to remove the state completely.
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That is completely irrelevant. What I am saying is that if we ever have to revolt, we must make sure we don't make a tyrannic government. Now, we could just eradicate the possibility of even having a revolution ever by making sure that the army never gets too powerful, but you guys don't want that.

The argument that &quoture anything is a bad idea" is an invalid argument. Pure living or pure death. That's a no brainer. No religion or a lot of religion? Do we honestly need to be in the middle? The argument that anything pure is bad, just does not work.


No, it is valid. Too much of a good thing isn't good for you. Besides, if you live forever, then you see your friends die, making you sad. If you never live, then you never get to experience being human.
Einfach
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Too much of a good thing isn't good for you. Besides, if you live forever, then you see your friends die, making you sad. If you never live, then you never get to experience being human.


I'll hold you to this claim - what about...
Too much intelligence?
Too much happiness? (this is a tricky one, because by having "too much happiness" you will have less happiness than is optimal)
Too much choice?
NoNameC68
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Then you just proved my point.


FYI, it is possible to masturbate in public restrooms.

You realize no society has ever done that and I doubt that will ever work. At least universal healthcare has been tested and actually works. This hasn't ever happened.


Private roads are built all the time! But yes, it's hard to point to a stateless society that successfully built roads without a government when such a society is hard to find in the first place.

As for Universal Health Care. Universal health care "works" through coercion. It "works" by taking most of your paycheck. It "works" by forcing you to participate at gun point.

If you honestly believe that to be success, then power to you.

That is completely irrelevant. What I am saying is that if we ever have to revolt, we must make sure we don't make a tyrannic government. Now, we could just eradicate the possibility of even having a revolution ever by making sure that the army never gets too powerful, but you guys don't want that.


Nice straw man.

No, it is valid. Too much of a good thing isn't good for you. Besides, if you live forever, then you see your friends die, making you sad. If you never live, then you never get to experience being human.


Dear God, shoot me now.
Einfach
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Then you just proved my point.


No - even if his example supported your point, just because one thing works doesn't mean everything works.
Kevin4762
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FYI, it is possible to masturbate in public restrooms.


Doesn't mean it is a good idea. Also, you're saying Libertarianism is like masturbating?

Private roads are built all the time! But yes, it's hard to point to a stateless society that successfully built roads without a government when such a society is hard to find in the first place.


Name ten companies that build roads.

As for Universal Health Care. Universal health care "works" through coercion. It "works" by taking most of your paycheck. It "works" by forcing you to participate at gun point.


But it works. Read Machiavelli.

If you honestly believe that to be success, then power to you.




Nice straw man.


Nice, to you.

Dear God, shoot me now.


Wish I could. Ruling is much easier without opposition.
Kevin4762
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I'll hold you to this claim - what about...
Too much intelligence?


Usually students who get very high grades have very little friends.
Too much happiness? (this is a tricky one, because by having "too much happiness" you will have less happiness than is optimal)


What happens when you're not happy? You feel terrible. Read about the Pavlov Experiment.
Too much choice?

Too many choices?
NoNameC68
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Doesn't mean it is a good idea. Also, you're saying Libertarianism is like masturbating?


Does the pope protect child molesters? Of course libertarianism is like masturbation!

But it works. Read Machiavelli.


No. I don't support the use of coercion to force people to pay for other people's health care.

Also, it only works when you take a large portion of the people's earnings.

Name ten companies that build roads.


Before I find those ten companies, what would it prove if I couldn't find them?
Einfach
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Theme of the day: Wat

[quote]Too much happiness? (this is a tricky one, because by having "too much happiness" you will have less happiness than is optimal)
What happens when you're not happy? You feel terrible. Read about the Pavlov Experiment.[/quote]

Wat

I asked about too much happiness - not what happens when you're not happy.

If I'm not understanding correctly, explain more clearly.
Also, you're saying Libertarianism is like masturbating?

Wat

Yes, it feels really good to know the facts. Furthermore, it guarantees the most ... pleasure ... to its citizens. :P

[quote]Nice straw man.


Nice, to you.[/quote]

Wat

No - this time I'm serious. What do you mean?

[quote]Dear God, shoot me now.


Wish I could. Ruling is much easier without opposition.[/quote]

Wat

Are you God?
Einfach
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And for some reason - the thing isn't recognizing my posts...

Sorry for DP.

But It says that Noname posted last...did my post get lost?

Kevin4762
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Does the pope protect child molesters? Of course libertarianism is like masturbation!


Thanks for answering my question with a question.

No. I don't support the use of coercion to force people to pay for other people's health care.


You don't like helping people?

Also, it only works when you take a large portion of the people's earnings.


Not true. I really want a flat tax. Everyone pays 10% of their earnings if their yearly salary is over $25 000.

Before I find those ten companies, what would it prove if I couldn't find them?


It would prove that private companies have almost never built roads.
NoNameC68
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No. I don't support the use of coercion to force people to pay for other people's health care.

[quote]You don't like helping people?
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