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Einfach

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Nomad

Posted January 28, '11 12:42am UTC

What is your evidence for religion?

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Freakenstein

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Jester

Posted January 28, '11 12:45am UTC

Err, actually let's not. You can join along with this guy though:

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braheehinny

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Nomad

Posted January 28, '11 12:50am UTC

What is my evidence? For one, personal experience. I have been protected from SERIOUS accidents that many others (Non-believers) have not. I have been healed from things unhealable (diabetes) after praying. God (Yahweh in Hebrew) has talked to me in life or death situations telling me what to do. If I had not been listening I would of done something SERIOUSLY bad. (I would have killed someone) Many of the Bible's prophecies have been fulfilled and in them (which most people don't understand) are metaphors and things that are figurative.

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braheehinny

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Nomad

Posted January 28, '11 12:52am UTC

@Freakenstein I looked at his arguments and he was using FAITH ONLY and was not using science (therefore getting PWNED by the Athiests) capesh?

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Avorne

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Nomad

Posted January 28, '11 12:57am UTC

All I gathered from that was that you're a mentally-unstable individual who hears voices in their head and has some element of luck on their side - with no scientific evidence backing up any of their claims (Would you care to produce your medical records?).

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Einfach

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Nomad

Posted January 28, '11 1:01am UTC

OK - now that we have WHY you believe, I am going to ask you to justify some quotes from the Bible.

Originally posted by E1337

Leviticus 25:44-46

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.

Leviticus 21:2-6

[quote]If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.

Exodus 21:7-11

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

And Jesus says Slavery ain't too bad
Ephesians 6:5

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ

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OK - now that we have WHY you believe, I am going to ask you to justify some quotes from the Bible.\r\n\r\nOriginally posted by E1337\r\n\r\n[quote]Leviticus 25:44-46\r\n\r\nHowever, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.\r\n\r\nLeviticus 21:2-6\r\n\r\n  [quote]If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years.  Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom.  If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year.  But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him.  If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master.  But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children.  I would rather not go free.'  If he does this, his master must present him before God.  Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl.  After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.[/quote]\r\n\r\nExodus 21:7-11\r\n\r\n  [quote]When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.[/quote]\r\n\r\nAnd Jesus says Slavery ain't too bad\r\nEphesians 6:5\r\n\r\n    [quote]Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear.  Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ[/quote][/quote]

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iMogwai

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Peasant

Posted January 28, '11 1:02am UTC

I have been protected from SERIOUS accidents that many others (Non-believers) have not.

I'm sure there are non-believers that have been &quotrotected" from such accidents as well. This could just be a coincidence.

I have been healed from things unhealable (diabetes) after praying.

This could also be a coincidence. It's like finding a coin on the street and assuming it fell out of a leprechaun's pot of gold last time there was a rainbow. Though it can't be disproven, there's nothing that suggests that it was how it happened, the only thing we know is that it happened.

God (Yahweh in Hebrew) has talked to me in life or death situations telling me what to do. If I had not been listening I would of done something SERIOUSLY bad.

Hearing voices in your head is never a good thing. Also, if he was telling you and just you things, you can't prove it in any way, and we wont know if you just made it up. It might prove why YOU believe in your religion, but it does not prove religion for anyone else.

Many of the Bible's prophecies have been fulfilled and in them (which most people don't understand) are metaphors and things that are figurative.

How do we know that God isn't a metaphor then? Maybe the almighty God, who punishes evil and rewards good, is a metaphor for, say, the government.

And now I feel like I've been serious enough, so I'm going to end this with a joke, by Jimmy Carr. Just because I can.

"If we're all God's children, what's so special about Jesus?"

[quote]I have been protected from SERIOUS accidents that many others (Non-believers) have not.[/quote]\r\n\r\nI'm sure there are non-believers that have been "protected" from such accidents as well. This could just be a coincidence.\r\n\r\n[quote]I have been healed from things unhealable (diabetes) after praying.[/quote]\r\n\r\nThis could also be a coincidence. It's like finding a coin on the street and assuming it fell out of a leprechaun's pot of gold last time there was a rainbow. Though it can't be disproven, there's nothing that suggests that it was how it happened, the only thing we know is that it happened.\r\n\r\n[quote]God (Yahweh in Hebrew) has talked to me in life or death situations telling me what to do. If I had not been listening I would of done something SERIOUSLY bad.[/quote]\r\n\r\nHearing voices in your head is never a good thing. Also, if he was telling you and just you things, you can't prove it in any way, and we wont know if you just made it up. It might prove why YOU believe in your religion, but it does not prove religion for anyone else.\r\n\r\n[quote]Many of the Bible's prophecies have been fulfilled and in them (which most people don't understand) are metaphors and things that are figurative.[/quote]\r\n\r\nHow do we know that God isn't a metaphor then? Maybe the almighty God, who punishes evil and rewards good, is a metaphor for, say, the government. \r\n\r\nAnd now I feel like I've been serious enough, so I'm going to end this with a joke, by Jimmy Carr. Just because I can.\r\n\r\n[i]"If we're all God's children, what's so special about Jesus?"[/i]

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braheehinny

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Nomad

Posted January 28, '11 1:03am UTC

Mentally unstable? LOl I didn't hear a VOICE per se but I was told. LUCK to being cured from diabetes? All I did was pray. That makes me unstable? BTW the odds of the big bang are mathematically and logically impossible. I am a Christian, I dont do luck.

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Einfach

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Nomad

Posted January 28, '11 1:05am UTC

Mentally unstable? LOl I didn't hear a VOICE per se but I was told. LUCK to being cured from diabetes? All I did was pray. That makes me unstable? BTW the odds of the big bang are mathematically and logically impossible. I am a Christian, I dont do luck.

Personal experiences are no proof. Remember the potential Brain-In-Vat scenario, too.

Now, could you please justify some of those Bible quotes above?

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braheehinny

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Nomad

Posted January 28, '11 1:13am UTC

Leviticus 25:44-46
This is because we have the tendancy to have slaves, God just put some rules on it so we dont have chaos.

Leviticus 21:2-6
This is so that if you buy a Hebrew (One of your brethren) you will let him go as to not start a civil war. Half is also a translation. The original hebrew text says servant. Servant and slave are different. It was cultural to sell your daughter to a good master if you needed money.

Exodus 21:7-11
Again a cultural thing. Alot of times foreigners would come and buy servants from the hebrews.

Ephesians 6:5
What bible are you takin' this from? "slave" is "servant

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braheehinny

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Nomad

Posted January 28, '11 1:14am UTC

By the way, I love how you use Bible verses.

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Kevin4762

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Nomad

Posted January 28, '11 1:18am UTC

What is 2 + 2?

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iMogwai

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Peasant

Posted January 28, '11 1:18am UTC

The original hebrew text says servant. Servant and slave are different.

Oh, so they're not slaves.

he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom.

Wow, for a while I thought they really meant slaves.

If his master gave him a wife while he was a servant, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master.

This made me worried at first, but then I heard it should be servant, not slave. Now my mind is at ease.

Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the servant will belong to his master forever.

I looked the word slave up in an online dictionary, here is the first definition.

1.
a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.

No matter what word you use, that's slavery the text describes.

[quote]The original hebrew text says servant. Servant and slave are different.[/quote]\r\n\r\nOh, so they're not slaves.\r\n\r\n[quote]he is to serve for only six years.  Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom.[/quote]\r\n\r\nWow, for a while I thought they really meant slaves.\r\n\r\n[quote]If his master gave him a wife while he was a [b]servant[/b], and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master.[/quote]\r\n\r\nThis made me worried at first, but then I heard it should be servant, not slave. Now my mind is at ease.\r\n[quote]\r\nThen his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl.  After that, the [b]servant [/b]will belong to his master forever.[/quote]\r\n\r\nI looked the word slave up in an online dictionary, here is the first definition.\r\n[b]\r\n1.\r\na person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant. [/b]\r\n\r\nNo matter what word you use, that's slavery the text describes.

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braheehinny

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Nomad

Posted January 28, '11 1:22am UTC

No where is scripture does god say to have servants, but he does put rules on it.

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Einfach

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Nomad

Posted January 28, '11 1:28am UTC

If every interaction of the universe can be explained using physics, then how is a God necessary? Can you prove that God interacts with the universe?

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