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Bearsal1121
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Hi guys, I want to know what you think about Barack Obama, and American polotics.

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Kevin4762
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Bearsal I was having a conversation with Kevin, but he acted like an idiot so I just stopped commenting, and the part about the immigrants? Well if you ever turned on a TV and watched the news you would see all the people (immigrants) protesting and talking to news reporters.


You call me an ***. I call you an *******. My fault? How the hell?
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If I couldn't afford to pay for their education, then I can't let them get the education. If I can afford to pay for twenty children, that aren't mine, to receive an education, then I would pay for it.


Good for you. This doesn't justify taking money from other people. Just because you would do something doesn't mean other people should be forced to do so.

When I say we should keep our own money and we should be allowed to be selfish, then everyone jumps the gun to assume I would keep all my money to myself. No, I would help others with it. However, I don't expect others to do what I do who are in my position.

It is unreasonable to demand that someone else pays for your life style.

It is unfair that one cannot have children because they cannot afford it.


If you're born into a poor family, that is unfair, but it's unreasonable to take someone's money just because they were born into a rich family. That's not fair to them, specifically if you're forcing them to give you money.

We must be independent and accept help that is offered. We should not live dependent on a system that forces others to "help".

Of course, if you can't afford to pay for them, you shouldn't have had them should you have?

[quote]It is so sad how you will use any excuse to defend your pathetic argument. It is unfair that one cannot have children because they cannot afford it.
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You shouldn't seek a life style that costs more than what you make until you actually make the money to pay for that life style first. If you want children, make good friends who will help you out. Be kind to your parents so they can help you. Wok hard for a promotion so you can send your child to a better school.

Also, do you have any understanding of how percentages work? 40% is not ALL. 100% is all. I'll say it again, since you didn't understand the first time. If a man makes $1 000 000 annually, he will get to keep $600 000. Is that all? Is that more than enough to live comfortably? Is it necessary to have that amount of money to live? I feel as if I am repeating the same questions over and over again since you do not want to answer them.


You have to work to make money, or you sell a product to make money. All the time and effort put into making all that money, just so that it can taken away. That's a shame.

If you have more than what you need, the leftovers are still yours. You should have a say as to what happens with the left overs.

So that they can't get it taxed out of them.


You don't determine how your taxes are spent, the government does. If you donate money, you're the one who has a say as to where the money goes. Also, these people willingly donate money. It isn't taken through coercion.

I love how coercion is the answer to a better world.
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If I can afford to pay for twenty children, that aren't mine, to receive an education, then I would pay for it.


Son I appreciate that you want to help others. But don't force your socialist views upon the rest of the world. Just because you like people doesn't mean everyone does.

But when you own an excessive amount, and when you don't need that amount, and when someone else needs it, you should not get to keep all of it.


But by having an excessive amount we're helping others. Imagine the decrease in the amount of jobs should the United States cease its materialistic ways.
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If I can afford to pay for twenty children, that aren't mine, to receive an education, then I would pay for it.


Yes, but if you could pay for 20 children to recieve healthcare, if they are hurt, would you? The republicans have been putting of the bill that says that the rich should pay for the healthcare of the poor because they do not wnat to share their money. It's as easy as that.
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Yes, but if you could pay for 20 children to recieve healthcare, if they are hurt, would you? The republicans have been putting of the bill that says that the rich should pay for the healthcare of the poor because they do not wnat to share their money. It's as easy as that.


Can I get some source here? I think you have it mixed up. I think you mean that they shouldn't which they should not.
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Good for you. This doesn't justify taking money from other people. Just because you would do something doesn't mean other people should be forced to do so.


I never said it justifies it. I am saying, that I wouldn't have a problem with paying for the education of others if I can afford it.

When I say we should keep our own money and we should be allowed to be selfish, then everyone jumps the gun to assume I would keep all my money to myself. No, I would help others with it. However, I don't expect others to do what I do who are in my position.


I understand that, but taxes help you. The regulate the things to you use every day, like toothpaste or peanut butter. You know peanut butter is allowed to have eight parts cockroach for every 1 000th of a gram? Anything more than that, is not peanut butter and you are forbidden to sell it as peanut butter.

The government helps you. I know in Libertarianism, you still pay taxes, but the taxes can barely pay for anything.

If you're born into a poor family, that is unfair, but it's unreasonable to take someone's money just because they were born into a rich family. That's not fair to them, specifically if you're forcing them to give you money.


It isn't fair either way. Now, instead of trying to help the poor person become rich, you let them continue the cycle. Now, if you have a million dollars, do you really need all of it? Why not give only some of it to people who really need it?

I know what you will say: "It is still unfair to take money from people, even if they don't need it."

or you will say: "That doesn't justify taking money from people."

But you have to realize, you will still be rich. The poor man will receive the education he needs to maybe be rich.

You shouldn't seek a life style that costs more than what you make until you actually make the money to pay for that life style first. If you want children, make good friends who will help you out. Be kind to your parents so they can help you. Wok hard for a promotion so you can send your child to a better school.


What if you will never be able to afford that lifestyle? It is unfair that because you cannot afford to pay for your children, you shouldn't have it.

What we are arguing is if it is more unfair to take money from the rich and give to the poor, or to not be able to live comfortably.

You have to work to make money, or you sell a product to make money. All the time and effort put into making all that money, just so that it can taken away. That's a shame.

If you have more than what you need, the leftovers are still yours. You should have a say as to what happens with the left overs.


Does it really matter if you have $900 000 left over or if you have $500 000 left over?

You don't determine how your taxes are spent, the government does. If you donate money, you're the one who has a say as to where the money goes. Also, these people willingly donate money. It isn't taken through coercion.


Either way you're helping people who need it. What's the difference?

I love how coercion is the answer to a better world.


I love how you think being greedy and poverty is the answer to the rich.

Son I appreciate that you want to help others. But don't force your socialist views upon the rest of the world. Just because you like people doesn't mean everyone does.


I am not forcing them, but expressing them. I even said in the OP that Socialism will never be adopted in the US in a million years because people here are greedy and ignorant.

But by having an excessive amount we're helping others. Imagine the decrease in the amount of jobs should the United States cease its materialistic ways.


How?

Yes, but if you could pay for 20 children to recieve healthcare, if they are hurt, would you? The republicans have been putting of the bill that says that the rich should pay for the healthcare of the poor because they do not wnat to share their money. It's as easy as that.


I would do it.
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Does it really matter if you have $900 000 left over or if you have $500 000 left over?


Cuss yeah it does. You can't appreciate the value of $400,000. Son you must be kidding.

How?


I buy four candy bars. Workers are paid to make those candy bars. If I don't buy those candy bars, the company gets no money, and they don't pay the workers. It's a simple as that.
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Cuss yeah it does. You can't appreciate the value of $400,000. Son you must be kidding.


I do. That's more than what it takes some people to make in ten years.
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I buy four candy bars. Workers are paid to make those candy bars. If I don't buy those candy bars, the company gets no money, and they don't pay the workers. It's a simple as that.


That doesn't answer my question. I asked, how does one man having $1 000 000 mean there are more jobs?
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how does one man having $1 000 000 mean there are more jobs?

He buys more candy bars, thus increasing the demand for candy bars, thus causing firms to hire more employees for candy bar making.

I do. That's more than what it takes some people to make in ten years.


Obviously you don't if you think you should throw it away so willingly.
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He buys more candy bars, thus increasing the demand for candy bars, thus causing firms to hire more employees for candy bar making.


What is a candy bar in your metaphor?

Obviously you don't if you think you should throw it away so willingly.


YOU ARE NOT THROWING IT AWAY. I once read that an economy functions like a vampire. Instead of sucking all the blood from the victim, suck only half, then let it live for another day. Then, suck half its blood again.

You have no economy if nobody spends anything. If only the rich spend, then the soon, they won't be rich.
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What is a candy bar in your metaphor?

It can be anything that isn't a necessity to the preservation of life. Cars, scrap metal, guns, or candy bars.

You have no economy if nobody spends anything. If only the rich spend, then the soon, they won't be rich.


But if the government provides virtually everything, then no one does spend anything. And again, when people spend money it doesn't disappear. If I lose a dollar it means someone gains a dollar. Thus when the rich spend money it is simply redistributed, and others become rich.
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Barrak obama sucvks right now, even the democrats know it, he really doesnt't know how to handle the army. If Mcain had been elected we would've been out of Iraq much earlier.

Kevin4762
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It can be anything that isn't a necessity to the preservation of life. Cars, scrap metal, guns, or candy bars.


Why would rich people spend so much money on cars, scrap metal, guns, and candy bars?

But if the government provides virtually everything


Let's see:

Utilities
Healthcare
Education

Yup. That is everything.


then no one does spend anything.


Obviously, but the government isn't providing everything.

And again, when people spend money it doesn't disappear.


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If I lose a dollar it means someone gains a dollar. Thus when the rich spend money it is simply redistributed, and others become rich.


Let's say I have ten dollars. I give someone four dollars. I am still rich. He is just better off.

You cannot seem to get it through your head that the rich only give a percentage of their money to the poor.
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You cannot seem to get it through your head that the rich only give a percentage of their money to the poor.

I get it, but then they are less rich. It's not a black and white thing.

Why would rich people spend so much money on cars, scrap metal, guns, and candy bars?

Cars to drive around in. Guns for protection. Candy Bars for food. And scrap metal for who knows what. It's a cussing example, don't take it too literally.

And obviously they aren't providing everything, but I'm paying for other people's healthcare, education, and utilities then.
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