I've stated my opinions on Socialism before in other threads, but it wasn't the appropriate place to put the. I have debated with several of you on my ideas, but I crave a more in depth debate.
I think the government should provide services that humans are entitled to. The rest are luxuries, and those luxuries should be provided to companies. These are thing an individual person should have.
The government should provide healthcare, education (this includes money for universities), water, electricity, waste management, parks, and roads.
There should be a 40% tax on anyone who make $25 000 or more annually. That means, if you make $25 000, you don't pay taxes. If you make $26 000 annually, you have to pay 40% tax.
Here is a scenario. The average man makes around $50 000, no? If you make $50 000, then you get to keep $30 000.
With those $30 000, you only have to pay for your mortgage, car, food, and family.
The rule of thumb for paying a house, is five times your annual salary, or five years worth of income. A person who makes $50 000, should buy a house that is around $200 000. If you take out a mortgage for twenty years, you have to pay $10 000 a year. Right there, you only have $20 000 to spend.
Now, an average car that costs $12 000 lasts about six years. If gas costs $50 a month, then in one year, you spend $600 in one year. Right there, you have spent $22 600 and have $ 7 400 to spend.
Food for one month costs around $300 a month. In one year, that is $3 600. So now you have spent $26 200.
Television, phone, internet costs around $100 a month, so in one year, you spend $1 200 on that. Now, you have spent $27 400. The rest, $2 300, can go to your savings.
In your second year, since you already have a car, you have $12 000 extra. Furniture in total costs around $10 000. So, you have spent $25 400 on basic things. The rest of that, $4 600, can go to your savings.
So now you have a car, furniture and beds, a home, television, phone, internet, food, and gas in two years, without going over your budget.
In your third year, since you have another $12 000 to spare, since you already bought your car and furniture. Now, you if you always put $5 000 for every year, on savings, you have $7 000 to spend on whatever else you want. I think that's a pretty good deal. You can collect shoes, buy toys and games for your children, and actually live your life.
Now, for Libertarians, they would do other things. Everything would be privatized.
If the average person makes $50 000, they get to almost all of it. Let's see how that works out.
So, education costs around $9 000 a year. Healthcare costs $10 000 a year. Utilities, such as water, lighting, electricity, etc. costs around $9 000. Water costs $250 a month, so annually, $3 000. Electricity costs monthly, $350 a month, so annually $4 200. Gas costs $600 you have. Internet, phone, and television costs $1 200.
So all that costs, $28 000. That's more than what you would spend in taxes. Taxes only cost $20 000.
Even if you have no children, or conserve your money wisely, you only have, at most, $5 000 extra. Now, wouldn't you miss parks, roads, public transportation, and other things?
You would not be living in a hole. You would know more than you do now. But people like you don't understand so it will endup being you in the hole because you will not except anything new.
You would not be living in a hole. You would know more than you do now. But people like you don't understand so it will endup being you in the hole because you will not except anything new.
In case you didn't realize I was teasing you about your typo. I still have no clue what you're saying though, try to be more clear in your arguments.
[quote]better how... because in terms of GDP, USA, China, and France is higher than Norway
The standard of living is better. You don't see people out on the street asking for money.
But for the rich the costs outweigh the benefits.
So?
Economics, Watson. Because when I buy stuff the money I spend just disappears. Except for the fact that it goes into the pockets of workers who make the product or provide the services I buy.
What's the harm in that?
They don't have lots of resources, how are they supposed to pump out money? They have the highest standard of living, which is what people want, right?
Exactly.
I laughed when you implied that sex isn't a necessity.
I laughed when you couldn't differentiate the difference between the two.
The government should provide entitlements, not necessities.
You do realize that GDP is an indicator of a countries standard of living right?
Not true. Why is China third? They live in close quarters and the people there can barely afford to pay for themselves.
If I need it. Which I won't.
How does this make sense?
And you're implying that all the people those programs help in turn help society as a whole. I don't know about you but drug addicts who bring crime to the streets and use Medicare definitely don't help our society.
better how... because in terms of GDP, USA, China, and France is higher than Norway
The standard of living is better. You don't see people out on the street asking for money.
But for the rich the costs outweigh the benefits.
So?
Economics, Watson. Because when I buy stuff the money I spend just disappears. Except for the fact that it goes into the pockets of workers who make the product or provide the services I buy.
What's the harm in that?
They don't have lots of resources, how are they supposed to pump out money? They have the highest standard of living, which is what people want, right?
Exactly.
I laughed when you implied that sex isn't a necessity.
I laughed when you couldn't differentiate the difference between the two.
The government should provide entitlements, not necessities.
You do realize that GDP is an indicator of a countries standard of living right?
Not true. Why is China third, then? They live in close quarters and the people there can barely afford to pay for themselves.
If I need it. Which I won't.
How does this make sense?
And you're implying that all the people those programs help in turn help society as a whole. I don't know about you but drug addicts who bring crime to the streets and use Medicare definitely don't help our society.
Because illegal drug use isn't a crime? Since when?
You mentioned drugs. Ever heard of over-the-counter drugs?
Implying I'm not entitled to my own money.
You are entitled to your own money, just not the unnecessary amount.
Son, I don't want to waste my money on other people. End of story, I don't care about them. They can do whatever they want.
Okay, father. Well, since you don't care about other people, then I guess you don't like cities. You will probably die alone, on your own little island.
Anyway, society works when people do. People make up a society. Society is a team. A team is not made up of individual players, but rather players with the same goal in common.
