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PracticalManiac
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It's funny how your almost never born atheist, you become atheist. I personally think the whole religion thing is far fetched. Why cant we just be dead after we die? Why does there HAVE to be an afterlife? Dont get me wrong i respect others decisions, I just don't believe in it, who's with me? I'm going to be some grass fertilizer one day And home to some maggots + worms.

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Kasic
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As i recall, once, either here or in Christianity WTF was raised issue of "Rock and Roll is insult to God". Old people hate changes even more than young. When thy are religious, they simply form sych sentences. It has nothing to do with religion.


That would be me, in the ChristianityFTW thread. And, I never heard of any non-religious person complaining that Rock and roll was the devils music, although I have heard it said countless times in a "kids will be kids" tone of voice that new music sucks. Never in a hateful way. But the church, no, they blame the devil for something they don't like, and mob those who do it.
PracticalManiac
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We have seen what the world is like when everyone is religious. Could you imagine a world of atheists? Men like einstein everywhere! Nah but really it would probably be a much better place.

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Paradox. You can't be a satanist and an atheist.


Yes you can be Satanist and an atheist. I'm not sure if it is the Leveyan Satanist as shino stated or not, but it does exist. Basically the belief is that ones self is the highest being.

IT'S NOT ANYTHING OTHER THAN SAYING YOU LACK A BELIEF IN ANY SORT OF RELIGIOUS/UNEXPLAINED THING.


It doesn't even go that far. It's just lack of belief in a deity. On can still hold a religious belief or belief in unexplained events.

WAIT... If there's no GOOD or BAD in atheism, then HOW could be some GOOD or BAD in religion?


Atheism doesn't have any active guiding principle stating how to act or what to believe.

Atheism teaches nothing?


No it doesn't.

Could you imagine a world of atheists?


The term atheist would be moot.
ZipperedVenus42
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Atheism has absolutely no teachings, rules, or set of beliefs. It is merely the disbelief in a deity, nothing more.

Atheism is not a religion. Why can't you Christians accept that? It is a belief.

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Atheism has absolutely no teachings, rules, or set of beliefs. It is merely the disbelief in a deity, nothing more.

However in that I think Atheism in a way encourages learning more about that. If you don't have it you might want it, Religion provides it, which is why it's such a powerful tool. Atheism isn't as lazy, and it allows personality to run free and show people for who and what they are.

Me? I'm awesome.

With a large ego.

And a bad sense of humor.
Teehee.

- H
ZipperedVenus42
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Yes, it does have its implications. The concept itself, however, is just a belief.

MageGrayWolf
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Yes, it does have its implications. The concept itself, however, is just a belief.


It's a lack of belief.
ZipperedVenus42
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Good correction.

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I know there were a few comments about this back near the beginning of the thread, I know that quite a few of us have mentioned their reasoning in other threads in the past too, I was wondering though... what led you all to either deconvert from a religion or to simply not become religious in the first place?

I think I'll answer this for myself with a quote because... well, because I can, alright? "I read the Bible from cover to cover. Several different versions, in fact. And after some careful thought, I came to the conclusion that I simply couldn't put stock in an all-powerful deity who was that self-inconsistent."

MageGrayWolf
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what led you all to either deconvert from a religion or to simply not become religious in the first place?


I will just repost what I said.

I had quite a mix of religious influences in my life. My mom was Catholic, my dad came from a Catholic background but ended up a sort of deistic Buddhist, my grandfather again from Catholic background but converted to Judaism and back later in life, my grandmother also Catholic (much more traditional then my mom). I was also exposed to many religious views, several forms of Christianity, Wicca, Urantia (which is based on Christianity), Unitarian views, VooDoo (which is a combo of Catholic and African tribal beliefs), Satanism, and a smattering of Native American beliefs. My dad always encouraged me to question everything. Even when it was something he believed to be true.

I first tried finding truth with just one religion, Though every one seemed not hold the answers they claimed to. With such a wide spectrum of religions to look at I thought perhaps each religion had a piece of the truth that when found could be put together like a jigsaw puzzle. Evaluating and reevaluating my position became part of my belief system, and in many ways still is. After trying this for quite a while I found what I had was no better then any single religion.

I also saw how my mom reacted to her religious indoctrination. She would often start talking about the negative experiences she had with religion such as the nuns in her school. But when I would speak ill of religion she would react with an almost rehearsed response, I saw this not only in her but in others when I went to church with her. It seemed like brainwashing to me.

I had misconceptions of what atheism was at the time, seeing it as a stance that God defiantly did not exist. I saw this view as no better then religion claiming that God defiantly did exist. I still held the belief of some sort of higher being along with many other metaphysical beliefs. The hardest of which to let go was the belief in an afterlife.

I eventually stopped challenging my beliefs like I once did, until one of the last talks I had with my dad before he passed away. I asked him what he believed since he said his beliefs were hard to explain. After trying to explain it the best he could and deeming it "meism" he then asked me if I believed in a god. I thought about it for a moment and said "I don't know", he replied with "good answer".

That talk got me thinking about it again. Without my parent to talk to about it like I once had I turned to the internet. I began viewing videos on religion from both perspectives. Each video that I watched I would then use my father's advice "question it" So I would research what they said. One of the videos gave a definition of what atheism was. Double checking what this person said, I realized I had been an atheist for some time and didn't know it.

Another thing that came into play, I began to really question the beliefs I held and finally went to a forum and created the mother of all random religions points threads ever (not on here), it was basically just a bunch of my thoughts poring out. From that thread I was able to gauge the responses given from both atheists and theists. After seeing each sides response I realized I couldn't so easily divorce a belief in god from a religion, and since I already saw religion as false I had to also throw away the concept of god.

As I found other more likely explanations for things I slowly began getting rid of each of my metaphysical beliefs.
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There is point.
Atheism is actaual active belief.
"There's no kind of Deity, for sure."
While, Agnosticism, is *lack* of belief.
"I dont know if there's some kind of Deity."

MageGrayWolf
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There is point.
Atheism is actaual active belief.
"There's no kind of Deity, for sure."
While, Agnosticism, is *lack* of belief.
"I dont know if there's some kind of Deity."


Agnosticism is not lack of belief it's lack of knowledge in regard to the spiritual. Atheism can be active as you state but in most cases it's not.
PracticalManiac
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I was born a catholic, baptised and told what to believe. I'm not trying to make a sob story but my life really started to suck and I just started hating god. Just like magegraywolf, I started to question everything and his ways. Why should I be suffering like this and he does not do a single thing to make it better? Only makes it worse. Soon I just stopped believing all together and came to the conclusion that I'm going to rot in the ground and theists are a bunch of brain washed imbociles. My past makes me hate religion and that's why I tend to bash on the forums... Once I stopped believing in god, I saw an improvement in my self worth and attitude anyways. I felt relief.

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Well, I was born in conservative Catholic environment, altough my family wasn't fanatic or what. Just everybody around seemed to don't accept whole idea of "disbelief". You beleived, simply as that, no alternatives. But that was long ago before I actually begun to question faith, yet. The point is, around beggining of middle school, I begun to run into some actual troubles with the dogma. I started to question them, and, however cliche may it sound, my faith just "faded away" (although I'm not sure if it ever were there, or it was just more what I got used to, something to stick to). Especially, when I begun to experiment with watching humanity from perspective of "total outsider", someone who is not influenced by views of this world, and is not understanding them. From view, that we are, just, bunch of apes. Apes who built lot interesting things, yet perform lot of absurd rituals. Now I always get EXTREMELY angry and annoyed when someone does some obviously absurd thing (keeps virginity for marriage, protests abortion, tells mastrubation is evil) which makes NO sense when we take religion out. I can understand someone going to church, but this? Hiliarious, annoying absurd and unneeded.

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