I was just about to go to sleep so I was taking my nightly dump where I do a lot of reflecting.
I started a thread a couple days ago called about atheism and it started a debate. I myself am a die hard atheist but I was just wondering is religion even all that bad?
I mean maybe some people just need that cushion, maybe they cant accept their fates? I would like to hear from you why religion is so bad. Is it halting progression? Is it dumbing us down, what do you have to say?
Yes it is a belief not based on evidence. Once you have proven it the faith is not longer needed to believe. Let's say I believed there was a dinosaur in my bedroom, I have no evidence of this, so it would be a belief based on faith. Now if I were to gain evidence that there was indeed a dinosaur in my bedroom I haven't proven the faith I proved there was a dinosaur in my bedroom, the thing I was placing my faith in. What I did was I got rid of the faith and replaced it with supporting evidence.
don't know how you came up with dinosuars mage, but good analogy.
I now realize why faith is such a hard concept. those who have a thought system based on logic are basically hardwired to be atheists due to the fact that they tend to analyze everything (I do that too, and it kinda surprises me I still am LDS even though I don't think like one). those whose thought processes are based on emotion will be more likely to be extremely religious due to the fact that the stories behind most religions have tons of emotion embedded into it.
in other words, our beliefs just might be genetic.
don't know how you came up with dinosuars mage, but good analogy.
I keep my birds in my bedroom, birds being the last living decedents of dinosaurs I used the term dinosaurs.
in other words, our beliefs just might be genetic.
To some extent they are. Our ability to look for patterns even if there are non, anthropomorphize and desire to have answers all play a role in the development of religious thinking.
If we can't follow a pattern we might be inclined to make something up to fill that gap. Anthropomorphizing things makes them seem less strange to us and more familiar, even if these things don't actually have such qualities. We want answers, in a more scientific logical mindset one is forced to accept that we sometimes just don't know. This just doesn't sit well with people and some might be content with any answer even if it's not correct or supported in any way.
Listen, I just don't see the problem that atheists have with other people having a religion! Honestly, you can be as bad as zealous christians sometimes, and pardon the analogy, but I have heard a lot of "come to Jesus" speak in favor of atheism on this thread. If one's religion did not interfere with the way laws were made or any important decision process, and were completely personal, would you allow it to let it be? Because right now I feel as if you are on a Crusade, so to speak, to abolish religion simply because you do not agree with the concept.
I just don't see the problem that atheists have with other people having a religion!
I don't have any problem with it. I don't think that what they believe in is true, but I don't usually bother them about it even if they're speaking about it right next to me.
I speak up when they claim something and then try to force that belief on others (Homosexuality is a sin, laws related to their beliefs, discrimination based on a differing religion, making fun of someone for beleiving something silly)
If one's religion did not interfere with the way laws were made or any important decision process, and were completely personal, would you allow it to let it be?
In my life I've gotton into two face to face argument about religion, one with my parents and one with someone whom I went to school with. The first was horrible because my parents are so stubborn and controlling they stated what they believed, what I should believe, and then said, "You aren't allowed to speak" when I argued back. The second was calm and civil, mostly entailing on how extremisim is bad and how religious beliefs should no be in our law system.
Because right now I feel as if you are on a Crusade, so to speak, to abolish religion simply because you do not agree with the concept.
I can't speak for anyone else, but that's not my goal. I see a topic about religion that claims something or that I find interesting and I post my side of the argument. I then get grouped in with being on a crusade as you so put it against religion. I just post on it because it's there, it's not like I'm dredging it all up for the sole purpose of beating it into the ground.
If one's religion did not interfere with the way laws were made or any important decision process, and were completely personal, would you allow it to let it be?
Yeah I would likely let it be. If all religions were like that referring to one self as an atheist would likely be an archaic term.
The problem is that their are lots of Christians worried that everyone's going to hell so they think they are doing good by proclaiming God to the streets and telling everyone to convert because they go it all wrong etc. This is the only problem I have with religion. Also if they try to change science with their bias opinion.
The problem is that their are lots of Christians worried that everyone's going to hell so they think they are doing good by proclaiming God to the streets and telling everyone to convert because they go it all wrong etc. This is the only problem I have with religion. Also if they try to change science with their bias opinion.
What about attempts to implement laws that we all have to live by based on those bias opinions?
Also if they try to change science with their bias opinion.
This isn't common from what I've seen. What happens is, religious people try to use science to justify their own beliefs which is perfectly understandable. What's wrong though is they twist what's there or insert unfounded assumptions and conclusions as a form of glue to hold their belief to their understanding which are not valid or proven.
I don't think religion itself is bad. Some use it and they never hurt anyone with it. Others use religion to directly hurt people with it. But I don't think religion alone is bad or good. It depends how it's used.
I don't think religion itself is bad. Some use it and they never hurt anyone with it. Others use religion to directly hurt people with it. But I don't think religion alone is bad or good. It depends how it's used.
Science can be used in the same way: to make medicine like penicillin or toxins like mustard gas. Dosen't mean we should get rid of science.
