I was just about to go to sleep so I was taking my nightly dump where I do a lot of reflecting.
I started a thread a couple days ago called about atheism and it started a debate. I myself am a die hard atheist but I was just wondering is religion even all that bad?
I mean maybe some people just need that cushion, maybe they cant accept their fates? I would like to hear from you why religion is so bad. Is it halting progression? Is it dumbing us down, what do you have to say?
I never said you HAD to include it into the steps to recovery. You guys are acting as if I had. No, I stated that it is good enough to be included in the steps to recovery. It's helped many people.
Isn't this just switching dependence from one thing to another though?
Isn't this just switching dependence from one thing to another though?
No, not really. I mean there are people who treat it like it's a drug, but that means that they aren't really over their first addiction. I mean, I go to church and all that, but I don't depend on God to tell me what to do every second. That's my duty as a Christian.
im an atheist, religion isn't bad but when you harm the lives of others in "holy wars" your taking it to far, if we want world peace we will have to put religion behind the human language completely, or... you can choose choice #2 - our technology becomes so advanced that our nulcear weapons become to strong and we kill us all, all over religious battles.
im an atheist, religion isn't bad but when you harm the lives of others in "holy wars" your taking it to far, if we want world peace we will have to put religion behind the human language completely, or... you can choose choice #2 - our technology becomes so advanced that our nulcear weapons become to strong and we kill us all, all over religious battles.
Like I said, it's just human nature to start war over everything. Even if religion was abolished, those radicals would find something else to bomb another country over.
Although I'm an Atheist, I don't have anything against religion. It's one of the things that makes us human. Yes, people have died from religious wars and stuff, but religion isn't stopping progress or killing people anymore or anything. It's just people with other beliefs, and they shouldn't be persecuted for them.
but religion isn't stopping progress or killing people anymore or anything
Are you kidding me? In countries like Iran or Pakistan you get the death sentence for leaving Islam... Or mocking Mohammed... People get killed by some nuts who blow themselves up in the name of God. Last weekend a family in Israel was murdered. 3 children were killed in their own house...
If religion did not cause war, something else would.
Just because religion doesn't cause all wars doesn't mean that it doesn't cause wars at all. No doubt, fewer people would have died from wars had it not been for religion.
Just because religion doesn't cause all wars doesn't mean that it doesn't cause wars at all. No doubt, fewer people would have died from wars had it not been for religion.
Even if someone was to successfully argue that no wars were technically caused by religion (not something I subscribe to), It's still very clear it's used to fuel and recruit for conflicts leading to longer bloodier wars.
Religion in itself is bad. This is coming from a sold out believer that Jesus Christ is our savior. Religion is humanity twisting the ideals and beliefs in the bible to fit their needs. Religion is there to control people. I consider having a belief in God and religion two totally different things. I know that's not how atheists think, but Religion is slowing the progress of conversion. Most people are atheists because of religion in my opinion
I consider having a belief in God and religion two totally different things.
I suppose one could believe in a deity but not serve or worship said deity.
Though if we apply #4 then it could still be argued that belief in God=religion.
1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance 2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices 3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness 4:
a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
Most people are atheists because of religion in my opinion
There are a lot of people who become atheist because the source material stating that such a being exists makes no sense.
I suppose one could believe in a deity but not serve or worship said deity.
I worship God, I spend most of my sundays and wednesday nights in church. I'm saying that religion to me is the church itself, but we really can't worship without religion. It's an pretty complicated philosophical view that I'm not too great on explaining.
There are a lot of people who become atheist because the source material stating that such a being exists makes no sense.
To me, the observation that there is not some supernatural being that has created everything we know makes no sense. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that everything we know was made by some space dust
I worship God, I spend most of my sundays and wednesday nights in church. I'm saying that religion to me is the church itself, but we really can't worship without religion. It's an pretty complicated philosophical view that I'm not too great on explaining.
"Lolwut" would be proper here, no? So the church itself is somehow religion? And why can't you worship? Humans can be worshiped by humans, without any religion... Complicated philosophy? It may be so, but you would have to be really bad at explaining...
To me, the observation that there is not some supernatural being that has created everything we know makes no sense. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that everything we know was made by some space dust
...Really...You think it is more likely that a magical being created earth than the totally real possibility of stardust creating earth? We can observe planets being created by space dust. Why can we not observe the same thing with the Pixie of Power?
must beg to differ. In the bible itself, it mentions this, Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Why is a church needed?
I take it a different way. We pray in groups because it makes prayer stronger. the writer of Mark wasn't a great writer,. What it's saying there is don't pray in public and try to make yourself look like "Christian-y". In other words, if you're going to pray, mean it. Go into your room and pray alone. That's when it means something. We need church to be among other believers to worship. Worship and prayer are two different things. Worship is singing songs and celebrating God. Prayer is talking to him directly.
...Really...You think it is more likely that a magical being created earth than the totally real possibility of stardust creating earth? We can observe planets being created by space dust. Why can we not observe the same thing with the Pixie of Power?
And who makes the space dust? Everything has to have a beginning and an end, with the exception of the creator.
And who makes the space dust? Everything has to have a beginning and an end, with the exception of the creator.
Why would the creator not need a beginning?
I take it a different way. We pray in groups because it makes prayer stronger
Care to state what you base this off of?
the writer of Mark wasn't a great writer
Writers. There where many of them, likely.
In other words, if you're going to pray, mean it. Go into your room and pray alone. That's when it means something.
So... You don't need a church? Isn't that contradicting what you just said?
We need church to be among other believers to worship. Worship and prayer are two different things. Worship is singing songs and celebrating God. Prayer is talking to him directly.
So you can't "Sing songs and celebrate god" by yourself? Why not? And why can't you worship it when you talk to it directly? Where do you get the idea that they are two different things?
