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PracticalManiac
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I was just about to go to sleep so I was taking my nightly dump where I do a lot of reflecting.

I started a thread a couple days ago called about atheism and it started a debate. I myself am a die hard atheist but I was just wondering is religion even all that bad?

I mean maybe some people just need that cushion, maybe they cant accept their fates? I would like to hear from you why religion is so bad. Is it halting progression? Is it dumbing us down, what do you have to say?

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mysteriousmexican666
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Of course humans will always fight. But taking away one of the biggest reasons to fight, religion, and then you have much less fighting.
If religion wasn't a problem in a place like the middle east, Israel would still be having bad relations with all of the other countries just because they don't like Israel. It's gotten to the point in human society that religion is really being used like a scapegoat rather than an actual reason. People fight each other just to fight, and nothing more to it.
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I really like the way South Park portrayed the end of religion. Even though religion had been destroyed, society, which had created vasts amounts of new technology, were quarreling about what to call atheists. Although South Park is just a vulgar cartoon, it does have a point because even if religion is destroyed, humans will always be able to find some tiny flaw to fight with each other about.


Hah, yes, that's very true. However, I think the real difference is that, in a religion, an infulential leader who is agressive can lead a nation or large group of people to fighting easier than an influential person doing such a thing for selfish reasons. People are selfish yes, but we all love to have the pretense of doing something good for everyone more than we like to just hoard. (Praying for a nation in a tragedy >.&gt
mysteriousmexican666
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Religion can be bad but it gives people strength at times. Sadly, I don't have the full power of it. I truly wish that I had no doubt in religion.
Even Jesus' disciples had doubts, so don't feel bad if you do. It's human nature to wonder, and with wonder comes doubt. Eventually, through God and educated priests/pastors/etc, you will find the answers to your doubts.
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If religion wasn't a problem in a place like the middle east, Israel would still be having bad relations with all of the other countries just because they don't like Israel


Care to prove it?

It's gotten to the point in human society that religion is really being used like a scapegoat rather than an actual reason. People fight each other just to fight, and nothing more to it.


Interesting hypothesis. Do you have anything to back this up with?

And are you saying that for some reason the Crusaders, for example, would still attack the "holly land" for some odd reason even if they where not religious?
Kasic
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And are you saying that for some reason the Crusaders, for example, would still attack the "holly land" for some odd reason even if they where not religious?


Perhaps they forgot to bring Mr.Fluffy (The family teddybear heirloom) back from their vaccation there, and when they went back to get it they were refused to have it back because he was oh so extra fuzzy and cuddly no one wanted to part with it.
Kasic
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Take circumcision. Every day, thousands of kids have part of their ***** cut off for the sole reason that god seems to like cut co ck over uncut co ck.


Actually I heard somewhere that circumcision has a few health benefits, and it is non-harmful. (In that it's usually done young and so not remembered)
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For the same reason you doubt it now: you haven't seen it, and it sounds unrealistic.

I believe in many things I haven't seen. And obviously it sounds unrealistic. That's because I use reason.

If religion wasn't a problem in a place like the middle east, Israel would still be having bad relations with all of the other countries just because they don't like Israel

Israel wouldn't even exist without religion.
PracticalManiac
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lol, circumcision is not even that bad. My brother is uncircumsised and he has had medical problems because of it. (He did not wash it enough ick) But overall it's not even a bad thing. In my opinion it looks a little better anyways.

Kasic
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It has some but isn't a decision that the boy should make himself? I mean, right after you are born, your parents decide, hey, god said it was a good idea to cut part of your penis off! Instead of, you know, asking the kid about it. And when there are complications, it can effect the kid for life (in some cases, damage can induce what is known as micropenis, aka, the penis never grows larger then it was at the age of circumsion.)


I do agree that it should be the person's choice, however it in of itself is not a bad thing or practice to do. Also, damage from it is not common at all.
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Take circumcision. Every day, thousands of kids have part of their ***** cut off for the sole reason that god seems to like cut co ck over uncut co ck.


You do realize that piece of skin can come off during sex, right? If it is torn, you can get an infection, which may leave a scar, and then having sex is the most painful thing in the world.

Even if you don't get it torn, you can still get an infection if you don't clean it, and even if you clean it, you can still get it torn.

Basically, circumcision is a win-win situations.

I think the Jews were clever in everything they did. I think they used God as a tool to get their message across. Don't eat pig because God said so. I think that what they wanted was that since the pig rolls around in mud, it could have a disease.

Don't eat shrimp, it is an insect and some insects have venom. I think God was just used as an excuse to protect the people, even if it wasn't always true.

Circumcision because God said to was an excuse instead of saying that that skin could come off while reproducing instead.
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Umm, wrong. The odds of that happening are low and usually means you got a very bad medical problem.

The point is, it is done without being asked. It should be the kids choice whether or not to get circumcised.


That's like saying you're wrong for believing that there could be a deity. It is uncertain. It could, not it will.

Personally, I don't mind and I don't care. I will do it to my son when he is born because I can and there are benefits from it. It's not like it is abortion.
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Don't eat pig because God said so. I think that what they wanted was that since the pig rolls around in mud, it could have a disease

Which is wrong. Pigs need to roll in mud. Too clean is bad for it's health.

It should be the kids choice whether or not to get circumcised.

That's right. And he can take all the time to think. It shouldn't be something that is rushed or done at baby age.
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Which is wrong. Pigs need to roll in mud. Too clean is bad for it's health.


It is wrong, but 5 000 years ago, they didn't know. They thought that the pig was impure and dirty, and wanted their people to not eat it. They used God to cover up the real reason they shouldn't eat it.

I like bacon and I am Semitic.
mysteriousmexican666
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Wow, what messed up morals.
First, the leap you made between chopping off a part of your child's genitals and the existence of a deity is a leap Knievel couldn't make.
He's not even implying the existence of a real God. He's saying that a deity could've been created just for the good of the people back then. And circumcision isn't bad. It doesn't make your sex life worse, and climax's aren't dulled out.
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Can anyone disprove that there is a God? I have yet to see it.


That's because you can't prove a negative. Just say you can't disprove the existence of an invisible flying elephant, I couldn't disprove the existence of God. So the question isn't can we disprove it but what evidence do we have for it?

Besides, in my opinion, science has no decent explanation for the universe.


I have to disagree, it appears it's done quite a good job at explaining not only the universe but what exists within it. At the very least far better then any religious text.

I know how (supposedly) the Big Bang was the entire universe in a small particle. But where did that come from?


Not exactly a particle, but we don't know. But when we don't know something that doesn't mean we should get to insert anything we like, it just means we have to keep looking for answers. I also doesn't discredit other things we have explained.
This is nothing more then a God of the gaps argument and is a fallacy and a non answer to the question.

And what about other dimensions? What about those? How did they come about? I'd like to know,


I'd like to know as well, that's why I'm not satisfied with non answers to these questions and keep searching for the answers to the "I don't knows".

I just don't get it. SOMETHING had to come from SOMEWHERE. But every time I find out where it came from, I need to find out where that came from, and so on. Where does it end?


Interesting question, would you apply this to God as well if one was shown to exist?

And how does a scale switch to the feathers that allow birds to fly?


Interesting show on this very subject.
Feather Evolution 1of5
Feather Evolution 2of5
Feather Evolution 3of5
Feather Evolution 4of5
Feather Evolution 5of5

And how does a bird know where to put its feathers when it evolved? Did it just guess right on the first try?


Evolution isn't a conscious decision of the species. So the bird did "decide" to put it's feathers anywhere. Just as you didn't decide where your fingernails are.

And what sort of environment might prompt a creature to leave the ocean?


One possibility was to find a safe place to lay their eggs for the linage that would later become amphibians and lizards. The first species believed to move on land was this giant scorpion, which did so in order to shed it's exoskeleton in safety. And was able to do so due to the way their respiratory system works.

And why haven't people evolved another arm, or an exoskeleton? Those would be nice.


It's not a matter of what one wants but one the species needs.

How does one "try" to evolve? Is that possible?


No it's not possible because evolution doesn't work on individuals nor does it happen to existing species. It works through successive generations on groups. So the closest we could come would be to select for certain traits and breed for those.

Or did it develop a brain first, knowing that it would have more complex organs that would need one to run them?


Skin would have come before a brain. Brains are a development of the nervous system. And again evolution has nothing to do with consciousness.

How would an organism survive without a heart? Or gills?


All you have to do to get an idea for this is to look at sponges or jellyfish.

How would a plant eater evolve into a meat eater without having a mass species starvation first?


Become an omnivore first capable of eating both plants and animals.

Can your heart work without lungs? Can your brain function without your heart? Can your lungs function without your heart? Can your eyes,ears, or mouth function without any of these?


Ours no, but we can look back and find species that can.

Basically, assuming evolution is true, which organ developed first?


Simple single celled organisms.

And where did the materials come from to build such a thing?


Some of it was likely seeded by asteroid bombardment. Some of it may have been around at the formation of the planet. All those materials came from the death of stars prior to the formations of our solar system.

And who combined them to form a cell?


I repeat myself.

"No one, this is like asking "who makes it rain?", or "who makes earthquakes?" just as you don't need a who for these we don't need a who for the Big Bang." Or in this case we don't need a who to combine the chemicals to form a cell.

And how does one species contain the genes for every species on earth?


It didn't, new genetic information was added later through methods such as gene duplication.

And, also, how does the cell know how to reproduce? Who/what taught it that?


The same way you know how to grow your hair. Yet again not a conscious decision but how that organism functions.

I'd like some answers so I can understand this whole evolution thing better. Because scientists are skeptical, right? They're supposed to question things that seem irrational, correct?


Yes, your more then welcome to ask questions.
Here are other resources for you to look over.
http://www.talkorigins.org/
http://www.creationtheory.org/
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/

And some videos you can watch.
Lets Test Them: Evolution vs. Creationism
Irrefutable Proof of Evolution- Part 1 (mtDNA, ERVs, Fusion)
Proof of Evolution - Part 2 (Summation)
Proof of Evolution - Part 3 (Atavisms and Fossils- censored)
How Evolution Works- Introduction (Part I)
How Evolution Works- Forces (Part 2)
How Evolution Works Part 3- DNA
How Evolution Works Part 4- Mutations
How Evolution Works Part 5- Natural Selection
How Evolution Works 6- The Constraints of Evolution
How Evolution Works 7: Speciation
Evidence for Evolution, Part I
Evidence for Evolution, Part II
Evidence for Evolution, Part III
Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker
The Evolution of the Flagellum
Evolution of the Bombardier Beetle
How Evolution Causes an Increase in Information, Part I
How Evolution Causes an Increase in Information, Part II
6 -- Natural Selection Made Easy
7 -- The Theory of Evolution Made Easy

Please tell me if I'm wrong. I can't tell myself where I'm wrong if I made the mistakes. Also, feel free to show me if I asked any loaded questions, if I did just quote them to show me which ones they were and you won't have to answer them. Feel free to flame, spam, tl;dr this or whatever. Just follow the Golden Rule.


I think the way your going about this is excellent.

The Crusades weren't biblical.


They were very religiously influenced. Regardless of whether they were started by religion or not.

Read the Ten Commandments. Which of those do you disagree with (on a moral basis)?


1, 2, 3, and 4 I see as having nothing to do with morals but kissing Gods backside. 5, 7, and 8 Are very conditional. 10 is pointless and is part of human nature. 6 and 9 I would still say are conditional but less so then 5, 7, and 8.

Also if this God was truly about free will these would be the ten suggestions rather then commandments.

I'm a christian and i think being a christian isn't a religion its a way of life


It's a religion.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion

Not all... but a lot of people I know who claim to be Christian go on mission trips and give to charity all the time.


At the same time they are using these hard times to try and recruit people to their religion. They have also spread bad advice such as not using condoms which has lead to epidemics in impoverished locations.

If religion wasn't a problem in a place like the middle east, Israel would still be having bad relations with all of the other countries just because they don't like Israel.


And the biggest reason why they don't like each other is because of the different religious beliefs.

Even Jesus' disciples had doubts, so don't feel bad if you do.


They were able to supposedly see all these magic tricks happening right in front of their faces. Why am I required to just believe based on at best second hand accounts from unknown people, with no way of knowing if it's true or not, and goes again other facts?

Eventually, through God and educated priests/pastors/etc, you will find the answers to your doubts.


Unfortunately those answers tend to be hollow.

Actually I heard somewhere that circumcision has a few health benefits, and it is non-harmful. (In that it's usually done young and so not remembered)


It has about as much health benefits as cutting off the tip of your fingers prevents you from getting a nail infection. I wouldn't call the removal of a large mass of nerves harmless.

The Circumcision Debate (Mirror)

Basically the health benefits are made up bs.
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