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thepyro222
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I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done.
I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please

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Jake297
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Wait, what happens to mentally ill people who can't sin?

A very good question. I, myself, believe the Bible says that all people that can not have an understanding of heaven and hell will go to heaven. (babies, mentally ill, etc.)
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A very good question. I, myself, believe the Bible says that all people that can not have an understanding of heaven and hell will go to heaven. (babies, mentally ill, etc.)


So should I go kill babies, to keep them from sinning and not getting forgiven, thus sending them to heaven rather than hell?
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A very good question. I, myself, believe the Bible says that all people that can not have an understanding of heaven and hell will go to heaven. (babies, mentally ill, etc.)

What about people who don't know of civilization and have no god and don't believe in anything/or something else because they're isolated from the world?
Jake297
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God tells us to not sin, but sins himself. Look 'round yonder posts for tidbits relating to how God sins.

Sorry, I dont feel like scrolling through 360-something posts, want to name a few?
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Would you care to tell me where, in the Bible, that is stated?

Jake297
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What about people who don't know of civilization and have no god and don't believe in anything/or something else because they're isolated from the world?

But, they can still have an understanding of it if someone tells them. That is why missionaries are important.
314d1
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Sorry, I dont feel like scrolling through 360-something posts, want to name a few?


How about we start with a big one. Drowning everyone alive at the time except Noah in the great flood. That is murder, a major sin, yes?
Darktroop07
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No that's a massacre he killed hundreds of innocent people for a few's sins if that is your god good thing I don't believe in him.

Jake297
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Would you care to tell me where, in the Bible, that is stated?

Which is why I said it is my belief, not a rocksolid proof...
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Sorry, I dont feel like scrolling through 360-something posts, want to name a few?


They are very recent, are you sure?

[quote=Deathbewithyou]Yeah and there are many more like when God sent a plagye over to egypt killing a couple[/quote]

[quote=MageGrayWolf]One example is with Numbers 31, that one was all about God commanding Moses to go to war with an army.[/quote]

[quote=AkPrince78]God sent His Son Jesus Christ to die on the cross for YOUR sins and MY sins and rose again the third day**[/quote]
**This is akin to Assisted Suicide.

And then you have Noah and The Flood, which has been mentioned multiple times.
Jake297
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How about we start with a big one. Drowning everyone alive at the time except Noah in the great flood. That is murder, a major sin, yes?

If you look closer, you see that they all had a chance. Noah preached to them, inviting them aboard the boat for scores of years. It was their own foolish mankind pride that kept them from obeying God.
Freakenstein
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Why not willfully ignore sin? Because He is holy.


Why have to sin in order to remove sin?

He could. He will not, because He is holy and consequently it would be against His character to do such things.


He won't remove sin without sinning, because he is holy? It would be against his character to do the above?

We agree!
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If you look closer, you see that they all had a chance. Noah preached to them, inviting them aboard the boat for scores of years. It was their own foolish mankind pride that kept them from obeying God.


You're missing the point. God decided to kill these people and he did. He sinned.
314d1
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Why...not...what...? Why not willfully ignore sin? Because He is holy.


Would someone who is holy permit someone to feel everlasting torment? I wouldn't, and I am apparently just a sinner. Why would he not ignore sin?

Why do I feel like I've already answered this?

He could. He will not, because He is holy and consequently it would be against His character to do such things.


To do what? Save people from eternal torment? Not kill his own son? FORGIVE?

If you cared to notice, that statement was made in reply to Kasic's point, which, as I could tell, focused on the "after Jesus".


Then why would he send Jesus, if people could get into heaven fine without him?

My opinion of those people has to do with nothing.

I am not a Jonestown expert, but from what I have heard, they did not "sacrifice" themselves. They did not die so that others could live. They committed suicide.


Very well then. What about suicide bomber? The Kamikaze fighters believed that they where saving their home and families by sacrificing there selves to do some damage to the enemy, would they count?

Why would His sacrifice be temporary?


You said he only died temporarily. In that case, it isn't a sacrifice, now is it?

Why do temporary sins lead to eternal punishment, which can only be levied by temporary punishment to someone else?
Jake297
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Deathbewithyou wrote:
Yeah and there are many more like when God sent a plagye over to egypt killing a couple
MageGrayWolf wrote:
One example is with Numbers 31, that one was all about God commanding Moses to go to war with an army.

All given chances to repent, all filled with pride.
AkPrince78 wrote:
God sent His Son Jesus Christ to die on the cross for YOUR sins and MY sins and rose again the third day

Do I need to say it again? Jesus was crucified by his own will.
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