I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done. I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please
I don't know about that. Some things they teach go directly against the Bible. Especially the Roman Catholics. The Pope is not a replacement for Jesus. They shouldn't call the pope father because the Bible teaches that only God is the Father (don't get confused with your parent father. This is more like for a God title). Just look up what they believe. It will shock you.
No, people who claim that Catholics are not Christian are the ignorant ones. Catholicism and Christianity were synonymous until the 1500s. They might have distinctive features, but overall, they believe in the same God, believe in Christ, use roughly the same book, etc.
Just because a book says so? Don't be daft. I have not done anything wrong, so I refuse to be called as a sinner.
Oh, so you haven't sinned, holy man. Now you must have lied before, said a curse word, even thought a bad thought. Everyone had done a bad thing at one point of their life. It's true. Not only does the book say that you sinned, you really must have.
Oh, so you haven't sinned, holy man. Now you must have lied before, said a curse word, even thought a bad thought. Everyone had done a bad thing at one point of their life. It's true. Not only does the book say that you sinned, you really must have.
Yes, but that's not the point. The point is, when I was first born, I was already considered a sinner because Adam and Eve sinned, thus condemning all future mankind to be automatically sinners from birth. Have I lied from birth? Sworn at my parents? No. So oh, wise and gullible Bible thumper, tell me why we're all sinners right from birth?
Rom 5:12. Adam's sin nature is inherited by all mankind.
I don't believe that either. You see, Jesus has taken away all my sins, forgiven them, and now since all my sins are washed away, I can go to heaven.
I'd rather go to Hell if the people in Heaven are those who accept him to just wash their sins away, as though believing in someone automatically rights a wrong.
Rom 5:12. Adam's sin nature is inherited by all mankind.
Yup, you said it yourself.
Yes, but that's not the point. The point is, when I was first born, I was already considered a sinner because Adam and Eve sinned, thus condemning all future mankind to be automatically sinners from birth.
Well, if that's not the point, then why did you say you didn't sin?
In other words, we'd all be in Hell. Eternal torture and all. How does that make God just?
Lmao. Great. So you admit God gave the baby the metaphorical machine gun? He should be sent to prison for child endangerment. Plus a few mental checkups...
Bull. God is all knowing. He knew that if he created man like that, man would develop this sinful nature. Thus, he created it.
If I set up the chain of dominoes, but someone else sets them off and they end up landing on the big red button which sets off a nuke, who's at fault? The 2 year old who bumped the first one, of the person who intentionally set the whole **** thing up?
According to the Bible, God is just framing us all. He made the conditions for us to sin and then punishes us for it so that he can guilt us into worshiping him to satisfy his blasted ego.
He is most certainly not. He has killed more people individually than any other person in history. He has condemned more people than are on this planet currently to eternal torture. His paradise is eternal worship towards him. Those are the actions of an insane, tyrannical, diabolical monster.
Address these please. I'm really tired of you trying to dodge this.
Yup, you said it yourself.
Exactly. That is saying we are all inherently evil.
Well, if that's not the point, then why did you say you didn't sin?
Yup, you said it yourself.
You're completely missing the point. What I said was I didn't sin from birth, I didn't lie, I didn't curse, rob, murder, so why would I as a child be a sinner? The point of quoting Rom 5:12 was to show how EVERYONE is a sinner from birth, regardless of him not even committing any sin personally. So my question once again is, why would a person who has NOT personally committed sin, be faulted just because of one man's bad actions?
Wait... So your God is holding the entire species THAT HE CREATED to standards that they can't possibly meet? Doesn't that seem cruel to you? And maybe more than a little stupid? (since it is apparently impossible for someone NOT to be a sinner).
As for hiding from the truth... speak for yourself, my friend, but I'm stood firmly in the realm of the truth while you're playing with fairies and other magical sky friends.
Not only what Avorne said, but that is logically fallacious in many different ways. I did not sin from birth, and I sin less than most people I know -- I hardly ever lie, unless given no other choice (that is the case, I hate dishonesty), and any other actions I've barely committed. Any action I do now, and like the ones over the last 44 years have all been ones I find rational and fair, meanwhile because, according to you, some one else did, I get punished.
Yeah, God's reasonable.
That, and read your Bible -- Exodus 21:20-21 and Matthew 10:24, please. They'd be sinners even though they were subjugated to the complete stripping of freedom that many people had done for financial gain? Really?
You can run, but you can't hide-from the truth, the Bible, God, and me(and the other Christians. Where are they!).
You've done a beautiful job of presenting yourself as an infallible, proven sage. Sorry. . . is my sarcasm not getting to you?
You cannot speak for God, even as it is. Provide proof, provide evidence or reasonably explain his philosophy which, quite frankly is against your religion (you can't know his ways). How convenient for you?
Nice to see you back, and kicking the same thing. But here's a tip -- being punched yourself always has an effect, even if you just choose to ignore it. You're hindering yourself by trying to use parts that have been made to no longer function, to stick with the metaphor.
