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TheGr8est
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I saw one thread asking to explain what nothing is.
I saw another thread asking what it would be like to be in a perfect world


So I started thinking (dont believe me) and I asked myself

"What is perfect"?

Can anyone answer me?
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314d1
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Perfect is a subjective term meaning:

â"adjective
1.
conforming absolutely to the description or definition of an ideal type: a perfect sphere; a perfect gentleman.
2.
excellent or complete beyond practical or theoretical improvement: There is no perfect legal code. The proportions of this temple are almost perfect.
3.
exactly fitting the need in a certain situation or for a certain purpose: a perfect actor to play Mr. Micawber; a perfect saw for cutting out keyholes.
4.
entirely without any flaws, defects, or shortcomings: a perfect apple; the perfect crime.
5.
accurate, exact, or correct in every detail: a perfect copy.
6.
thorough; complete; utter: perfect strangers.
7.
pure or unmixed: perfect yellow.
8.
unqualified; absolute: He has perfect control over his followers.
9.
expert; accomplished; proficient.
10.
unmitigated; out-and-out; of an extreme degree: He made a perfect fool of himself.
11.
Botany .
a.
having all parts or members present.
b.
monoclinous.
12.
Grammar .
a.
noting an action or state brought to a close prior to some temporal point of reference, in contrast to imperfect or incomplete action.
b.
designating a tense or other verb formation or construction with such meaning.
13.
Music .
a.
applied to the consonances of unison, octave, and fifth, as distinguished from those of the third and sixth, which are called imperfect.
b.
applied to the intervals, harmonic or melodic, of an octave, fifth, and fourth in their normal form, as opposed to augmented and diminished.
14.
Mathematics . (of a set) equal to its set of accumulation points.
15.
Obsolete . assured or certain.
â"noun Grammar .
16.
the perfect tense.
17.
a verb form or construction in the perfect tense. Compare future perfect, pluperfect, present perfect.
â"verb (used with object)
18.
to bring to completion; finish.
19.
to bring to perfection; make flawless or faultless.
20.
to bring nearer to perfection; improve.
21.
to make fully skilled.
22.
Printing . to print the reverse of (a printed sheet).

Paarfam
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Honestly, that was a waste of time and effort because many of those things don't relate to what we're referring to. Many of those things relate to grammar, and my post is (probably) perfect in grammar because it makes me mad when people T41K lIk3 DI5.

314d1
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Honestly, that was a waste of time and effort because many of those things don't relate to what we're referring to.


He asked what perfect is, so I gave it to him. That is what perfect is. He didn't ask for much more specific.

Many of those things relate to grammar, and my post is (probably) perfect in grammar because it makes me mad when people T41K lIk3 DI5.


I don't see how that effects anything. Or where you not referring to my post? You need to quote who you are speaking to...
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perfection isn't a predicate of an material object.


This seems right. But what about the sentence: X is not perfect.
Here, some object X stands in relation to this notion of perfection. Just like in 'X is not red' that object stands in some relation to redness.
In that relational sense, then, it would seem perfection can be predicated of certain objects - at least conceptually. We might have to say that no object is in the set of perfect things (perhaps it's an empty set). My question is whether this is necessarily true, or simply true eo ipso. I can imagine a world where there are no red objects, but the relationship here would be one of fact, not of necessity.
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You put perfection on stuff that can be measurable and that have a limit. The limit would be perfection.

Example: You get 100% on your exam. Perfect score.


I'd like to mention its possible to get more than 100% on something like an exam/essay. Either through extra credit or it's simply because something was just THAT good. Does that mean its more than perfect?

Anywhoo, short answer: nothing is. I'll leave a quote from Hawking
"One of the basic rules of the universe is that nothing is perfect. Perfection simply doesn't exist.....Without imperfection, neither you nor I would exist"
Capsha17
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Perfect is having no flaws whatsoever and being above the rest. That's what I think perfect is.

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Perfection is not impossible, in some situations. For example, if you play bowling and get a score of 300, then that's a perfect score. So, what &quoterfect" is can depend on how you use it, but it's basically when something is as good as it could be.

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I'd like to mention its possible to get more than 100% on something like an exam/essay. Either through extra credit or it's simply because something was just THAT good. Does that mean its more than perfect?

You can't get more then 100% because once you put the extra credit in, it becomes part of the fraction of the 100%. And making more then 100% because it's that food also doesn't make sense. You have to answer questions that are not even on the test.
Nurvana
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Nirvana. Or should I say, N[/i]u[i]rvana.

master565
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Nirvana. Or should I say, N[/i]urvana.


I was thinking exactly that when i saw this thread.

Perfection is not impossible [i]for an individual, nobody has the exact same views on everything.
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I love the discussion of &quoterfect". It always makes me thinks of Nathaniel Hawthorn's "The Birthmark". Summarized: A man met a woman, and she was beautiful, charming, and overall wonderful woman. The only thing that he could possibly find wrong with her was birthmark. He decided for her to get rid of it. She went into the operation, but after the procedure she died.

In my opinion: perfect cannot exist in the world that we know. Perhaps that is because &quoterfect" is under constant scrutiny.

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In my opinion: perfect cannot exist in the world that we know. Perhaps that is because &quoterfect" is under constant scrutiny.

But perfection itself can only apply to actions, not objects themselves - that is, if it remains an objective definition.

Perfection, if applied to objects, has a different definition for each person.

So it's possible to figure out the &quoterfect" (and only) solution to a math problem. But an object cannot be said to be objectively &quoterfect".
Einfach
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This seems right. But what about the sentence: X is not perfect.
Here, some object X stands in relation to this notion of perfection. Just like in 'X is not red' that object stands in some relation to redness.

Sorry for the double post.

The difference between the statement "X is not perfect" and "X is not red" is that redness can be defined, whereas perfection itself doesn't seem to have an objective method of definition; in fact, it is innately subjective and unique to an individual's point of view.

How would one define it? Perhaps, from a hedonistic perspective: "that which secures the greatest happiness (or pleasure) for an individual" would seem to satisfy, but that is perfection with relation to an individual. Perfection itself must relate to an objective perfection, which is only possible in mathematical terms when it can be defined with certainty...
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it depends on what you mean. ill explain what i think &quoterfect" means when it comes to a person.

there are some things that would make people perfect:

1. the ideal person you want to be is the level of perfection you want to reach. for one it might be getting taller. for another it might be doing good deeds so it changes.
2. the one you love is usually perfect or almost perfect in your opinion (if you find people who are different then you attractive (personalty AND body)) because those people are usually looking for someone who has traits they dont have
3. i think angels might be a good way to say what a perfect person is.
4. what most people think perfect is. as in a person who is beautiful never does mistakes is kind and everything is easy for him. i think that kind of person might be boring so if he is boring is he really that perfect?

i really like the 1st and 2nd ways i said. id like to try and get more confidence and be more independet and try and keep thinking of other people. i also want to find someone who will be close to me and have those traits i found attractive. im not sure about the 3rd explanation because im not really sure if angels are still human...
and i really dislike the 4th way i showed.

i hope that meant something for anyone who read it

cloudygrl25
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So it's possible to figure out the &quoterfect" (and only) solution to a math problem. But an object cannot be said to be objectively &quoterfect".


Technically, any math solution will have some degree of error, Any number always goes on.. even rational numbers, arguably are not just what they are. 2 also is 1.9, 1.99, 1.999, (etc) and 2.0, 2.00, 2.000 (etc), it depends on how you truncate/round, what decimal place is suitable... technically.
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