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TheGr8est
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I saw one thread asking to explain what nothing is.
I saw another thread asking what it would be like to be in a perfect world


So I started thinking (dont believe me) and I asked myself

"What is perfect"?

Can anyone answer me?
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Einfach
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Technically, any math solution will have some degree of error, Any number always goes on.. even rational numbers, arguably are not just what they are. 2 also is 1.9, 1.99, 1.999, (etc) and 2.0, 2.00, 2.000 (etc), it depends on how you truncate/round, what decimal place is suitable... technically.

Assuming you've defined 2, +, =, and 4, then 2+2=4 no matter what - it's a tautology, given that assumption. Here is a complete proof:
http://us.metamath.org/mpegif/2p2e4.html

Math is never subjective - it is completely founded and traceable back to the simplest and most basic axioms in propositional and first-order logic, with the axiom of infinity, the axiom of choice, other axioms in set theory, and definitions.

There is no error at all.
tanstaafl28
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"Perfection" is an illusion. It may enoble us to strive for it, but it is unobtainable. Imagination is as &quoterfect" as we will ever be in this world.

Moegreche
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The difference between the statement "X is not perfect" and "X is not red" is that redness can be defined,


This objection begs the question. You want to refute my analogy by giving a relevant disanalogy. The problem with this move (which is usually an excellent way to go) is that the disanalogy you're using assumes an answer to the very question under discussion

I was trying to make a subtle point, but I don't think I made them very clearly.

Perfection can stand in some relation to objects or concepts. I think that motivates the idea that perfection can be predicated upon said objects or concepts.
In other words, the proposition "Nothing is perfect" appears to have a sense to it. We know what that means. We could even symbolize it:
~(Ex)Px
There does not exist an x such that x is perfect. Or,
(Ax)~Px
For any x, it's not the case that x is perfect.
(E and A are existential and universal quantifiers, respectively. This site doesn't support the actual characters.)

So sure, we can say that nothing is perfect. But doesn't that mean we have some sort of conceptual notion of perfection?
I also had wondered if nothing is perfect out of necessity, or if it was just the case that in this world nothing is perfect.
So could there be a world in which something was perfect in the same way there could be a world in which nothing was red?
Einfach
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The problem with this move (which is usually an excellent way to go) is that the disanalogy you're using assumes an answer to the very question under discussion

Oh, I see what you're saying.

Saying "Nothing [no object] is perfect" is like saying that "No ideas are smelly" or "no light is loud" - you're trying to predicate objects with something that makes no sense with it. The statement is only true because no idea CAN be smelly. "Nothing is perfect" does not, in itself, imply that material objects, hypothetically, have the capacity to be perfect any more than light, hypothetically, has the capacity to be loud. "Nothing is perfect" does not imply "something is potentially perfect".
Omnihero10
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imperfection is perfect...

deni123
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A circle is perfect because it has infinite diagonals but none of the circles that we draw or we make is a perfect circle it impossible
The speed of light is perfect but if someone reaches to speed of light (its impossible his speed is 299 792 458 m / s) the time will stop but we still move...
So the reponse of 'what is perfect?'' is ..
ME :P

amon2006
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i dont know what is perfect .but i think the world was created perfectly but it is weird that the world isnt perfect

Armed_Blade
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I got it.
If something's perfect, then its 100% efficient. It doesn't lose any energy.

Alpha791
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Perfection cannot be obtained in the universe we live in. If something were perfect what would it's qualities be? You can't possibly be sure because everyone sees perfection as something else. Something can seem perfect for one purpose but it is horrible for another. If something were perfect then it would be the greatest thing for every purpose from nutrition to mutating our genes to become one hundred times stronger or live forever

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Perfection cannot be obtained in the universe we live in. If something were perfect what would it's qualities be? You can't possibly be sure because everyone sees perfection as something else. Something can seem perfect for one purpose but it is horrible for another. If something were perfect then it would be the greatest thing for every purpose from nutrition to mutating our genes to become one hundred times stronger or live forever.


I agree, and would like to add that I think perfection is subjective. So while I might find a certain type of person to be perfect someone else may consider them extremely flawed. And for a perfect world someone might consider it a world which they control and others might not.
EnterOrion
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Computers are perfect.

Of course, computers are not reality.

Sssssnnaakke
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Perfection= No free will and ignorance. That's why we can program things to say everything is perfect etc.

Alpha791
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I agree, and would like to add that I think perfection is subjective. So while I might find a certain type of person to be perfect someone else may consider them extremely flawed. And for a perfect world someone might consider it a world which they control and others might not.


Nicely said and that brings up a good point. Love, hatred, anger, jealousy, and sadness can cloud one's judgement and make you think something or someone is perfect when they are truly awful or vice versa (well except they can't truly be perfect).
AlanZherdo
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Love make me feel like that

SquirrelMaster0282
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God.

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