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valkery
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Obama released his birth certificate today.


This should shut up Trump. And basically every other republican....


This has to be the best thing ever:

John McCain was born in a Naval Air Station along the Panama Canal, a U.S. territory, not a state of the Union. He would have to become naturalized once he emigrated to the U.S. and would not have been eligible for presidency.



That is from a different, more unreliable site, but I still think it is hilarious, if true.
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CommanderDude7
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You're dumb if that's actually what you think; our country is in debt because of business people like him and do you know anything about his foreign and domestic policies they're awful.

That was more of Obama spending then him but I agree his other policies are moronic. Heck hes even filed for bankruptcy a few times. Trump is not a good business man people. Warren Buffet is much better. Anyways the economy should be Ben Bernake's job not the president's.
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Americans are paranoid by anything socialist.


This may be partially true but I'm from Minnesota where anyone in 5 states (not sure on the exact number but that is close) can simply stop over and pick up a welfare check and then head back home to wherever they live. At the same time, many mentally and physically handicapped people are working to make a living for themselves and are forced to pay taxes to support these lazy people and other perfectly capable people in our state who are too lazy to work. So I have a reason for my &quotaranoia" if that is what you want to call it.
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Almost everyone is affected by it. Even the people who already had health care because now they have to help pay for other people's health care as well.


Universal healthcare has proven before that it can result in cheaper healthcare costs reducing how much the vast majority of individuals pay (think Denmark which pays $3,500 per person while in the US we pay $7,000 per person annually). Why? Well because one entity has the ability to streamline the healthcare process it can cut away the extra fat and focus on the end result for the customer.

Americans are paranoid by anything socialist.


Stems from our obsession with the &quotrotestant ethic"; basically to be a "moral" the American public believes you must work and be frugal with your money, otherwise you're immoral. Combine that with the government's propaganda during WWII and the Cold War that decried Communism as Anti-American and Anti-Christian and you have a very confused and backwards nation.

That was more of Obama spending then him but I agree his other policies are moronic. Heck hes even filed for bankruptcy a few times. Trump is not a good business man people. Warren Buffet is much better. Anyways the economy should be Ben Bernake's job not the president's.


Oddly enough spending has increased less under Obama than under Bush; the problem isn't the amount we spend but how it's spent and various problems with how we regulate discretionary spending; tax breaks for the wealthy haven't helped either.

As for my criticism of Trump let me rephrase it; people with economic policies such as his are the reason our economy is bad. He doesn't promote ideal type capitalism (something I feel the tech industry represents very well) but rather promotes big business and thorough that fascism. When business runs a country fascism is the end result.
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This may be partially true but I'm from Minnesota where anyone in 5 states (not sure on the exact number but that is close) can simply stop over and pick up a welfare check and then head back home to wherever they live. At the same time, many mentally and physically handicapped people are working to make a living for themselves and are forced to pay taxes to support these lazy people and other perfectly capable people in our state who are too lazy to work. So I have a reason for my &quotaranoia" if that is what you want to call it.


Statistics or it didn't happen; seriously.
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Oddly enough spending has increased less under Obama than under Bush; the problem isn't the amount we spend but how it's spent and various problems with how we regulate discretionary spending; tax breaks for the wealthy haven't helped either.

Yeah bush's spending was bad but Id feel better if they spent less.
As for my criticism of Trump let me rephrase it; people with economic policies such as his are the reason our economy is bad. He doesn't promote ideal type capitalism (something I feel the tech industry represents very well) but rather promotes big business and thorough that fascism. When business runs a country fascism is the end result.

Fascism? Just because he wishes his business to be successful, he mostly wishes, doesn't mean he is leading us down the road to Fascism.
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Fascism? Just because he wishes his business to be successful, he mostly wishes, doesn't mean he is leading us down the road to Fascism.


Theres another thread here in WEPR about how the supreme court ruled that citizens cannot sue businesses with class-action lawsuits anymore. That is the type of thing that a big business promoter like Trump would approve of. That is also taking away from citizens something that should not be taken away.
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Fascism? Just because he wishes his business to be successful, he mostly wishes, doesn't mean he is leading us down the road to Fascism.


When business is allowed to whatever it wants and is the only part of society receiving a socialist treatment when it needs one and a free market treatment when it wants one we lose our rights. When business buys votes and rules our democracy we lose our rights. When consumers have no right, clearly, we lose our rights. The government becomes a central tool and the "state" becomes nothing more than a tool used to gather the citizens under the banner of the economy and nothing more.
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Universal healthcare has proven before that it can result in cheaper healthcare costs reducing how much the vast majority of individuals pay (think Denmark which pays $3,500 per person while in the US we pay $7,000 per person annually).


So if I had included random numbers it would become true?

Oddly enough spending has increased less under Obama than under Bush


Stats

people with economic policies such as his are the reason our economy is bad.


Stats

I really need stats to show that handicapped people work and some people are too lazy too work? Give me a break. Very few people provide a citation for every argument they bring up. Even if they do, people will just say "1 source doesn't prove anything".
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Theres another thread here in WEPR about how the supreme court ruled that citizens cannot sue businesses with class-action lawsuits anymore. That is the type of thing that a big business promoter like Trump would approve of. That is also taking away from citizens something that should not be taken away

Why wouldn't he approve? This would help his rather pitiful real estate business in case he does something stupid like forget to put emergency stops in his elevators.
Id reply more but the last episode of The Office is on.
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This whole thing shows how racist and unfair America is. Have we ever asked any other presidents for there birth certificate? No, but once a president with a different color skin comes along then we make a huge deal about it? Leave him alone, the people who harass him couldn't do a better job than he is doing currently.

Moe
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So if I had included random numbers it would become true?


Is this a good enough source? I could find more, but that one seems credible enough.
darnell13
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Is this a good enough source? I could find more, but that one seems credible enough


I was saying it to make a point, not because I didn't believe that one particular stat. The only difference in what he did and what I did was that he included 2 numbers where I included 1.
darnell13
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This whole thing shows how racist and unfair America is. Have we ever asked any other presidents for there birth certificate? No, but once a president with a different color skin comes along then we make a huge deal about it? Leave him alone, the people who harass him couldn't do a better job than he is doing currently.


And the whole thing about this is not unfounded and based only on the color of his skin. One incident that lead to this is when Michelle mistakenly called Kenya Barack's home country. I still believe it is ridiculous that they were bothering him about it but it's not just a race thing.
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So if I had included random numbers it would become true?


Here

Oddly enough spending has increased less under Obama than under Bush

Stats


Here, I've read the article and understand that Obama has spent more per year than Bush did but my point was that he has spent a lower total amount; my argument stands. More over Bush increased the debt by 100% while Obama has only increased it by 40%.

people with economic policies such as his are the reason our economy is bad.

Stats


This one is admittedly more difficult because it comes down to inspection of the ramifications of economic policies which is a very difficult process considering the nearly infinite amount of variables. I'm a Keynesian when it comes to discussion about the Great Depression so I believe that the failure of the government to intervene during the downward spiral, basically, caused the downward spiral to continue. If the government were to have intervened we might have seen a shorter depression or even a recession.

Again it's difficult to really &quotrove" which economic theory works the best and because I'm not willing to get into a debate on the matter on a thread that isn't specifically about this debate I won't go into massive details.

I really need stats to show that handicapped people work and some people are too lazy too work? Give me a break. Very few people provide a citation for every argument they bring up. Even if they do, people will just say "1 source doesn't prove anything".


You asked for stats and I provided them, if you do not I simply can't take your word. As I said before Americans have a nasty tendency to view the lower class as lazy idiots who could have a job if they wanted to so it's not odd that you believe this to be true.

Again statistics please.

Why wouldn't he approve? This would help his rather pitiful real estate business in case he does something stupid like forget to put emergency stops in his elevators.
Id reply more but the last episode of The Office is on.


The president's job is to sacrifice for the American public if he can't do that he cannot be president. If he's focus is on his own interests we're screwed.
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You asked for stats and I provided them, if you do not I simply can't take your word. As I said before Americans have a nasty tendency to view the lower class as lazy idiots who could have a job if they wanted to so it's not odd that you believe this to be true.


Hahaha...I worked as a construction laborer and a grocery store stocker. My brother's are painters and contractors. I have seen the blue collar worker. I have experienced these things first hand. In Minnesota, you are more likely to get financial aid if you do not have a job than if you have a minimum wage job. My sister applied for it when she had her baby and they told her to quit her job and then she would have a better chance at getting it. How does that make sense? Don't assume you know me because of what I argue for.

My point was not for you to back up all of your arguments. I was just saying that I did not question you with a lack of sources so why do you question me?
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