God sends two bears to rip up 42 little children for making fun of Elisha's bald head. 2nd Kings 2:23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. âGet out of here, baldy!â they said. âGet out of here, baldy!â 2:24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. 2:25 And he went on to Mount Carmel and from there returned to Samaria.
You must hate your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, yourself, and carry a cross on your back to become a disciple. Luke 14:25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: 14:26 âIf anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sistersâ"yes, even their own lifeâ"such a person cannot be my disciple. 14:27 And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple. 14:28 âSuppose one of you wants to build a tower. Wonât you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it? 14:29 For if you lay the foundation and are not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule you, 14:30 saying, âThis person began to build and wasnât able to finish.â
Sell your clothes for a sword. Luke 22:35 Then Jesus asked them, âWhen I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?â
âNothing,â they answered.
22:36 He said to them, âBut now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you donât have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 22:37 It is written: âAnd he was numbered with the transgressorsâ[a]; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.â 22:38 The disciples said, âSee, Lord, here are two swords.â
âThatâs enough!â he replied.
Beat your children Proverbs 23:13 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish them with the rod, they will not die. 23:14 Punish them with the rod and save them from death.
Moses's Vengence Numbers 31:1 The LORD said to Moses, 31:2 âTake vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people.â 31:15 âHave you allowed all the women to live?â he asked them. 31:16 âThey were the ones who followed Balaamâs advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the LORD in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the LORDâs people. 31:17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
God & Slavery Leviticus 25:40 They are to be treated as hired workers or temporary residents among you; they are to work for you until the Year of Jubilee. 25:41 Then they and their children are to be released, and they will go back to their own clans and to the property of their ancestors. 25:42 Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves. 25:43 Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God.
25:44 ââYour male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 25:45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 25:46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Old Testament Counts Matthew 5:17 âDo not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 5:18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 5:19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
These are just cut from the bible when you put them in context they actually mean something good.
When is killing someone ever good? What about
Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
What context is that ever good in? In "Oh, do the opposite of what I am about to say,"? Certainly not:
22:16 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. 22:17 If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins. 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. 22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death. 22:20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
I can answer for the whole, 'hating your family' thing; it's a comparison to how much you should love God; as in it should be so huge *stretches arms out* that it dwarfs your love for your family.
Then why not say love God more then your family instead of the hate them bit?
1. Who said the bibles supposed to be moral? (I'm not saying it is or isn't but no one here said it is)
So you unlike many Christians are not derive your morality from what this book says?
cuz its boring to say that. the way he said it made it stick.
...So your god said something totally amorphous just to have fun? And "make it stick"? If I thought an omnipotent being was giving me divine knowledge, I would force it all to stick. I would attempt to remember every passage in the Bible. Why wouldn't you?
That was during the time when the Jews were conquering israel and they kind of need to fight to do so.
Josh(6:21)
So they destroyed yet another city during their conquest. I don't remember the reason for killing everyone but what's so special about this.
Josh(8:23-27)
It's really annoying reading this in english because i don't know most the translated hebrew terms but i think this city might have belonged to the nation that ambushed the Jews in the desert so Jews pretty much have an unending hatred towards them.
So you support genocide then do you, that is what they did by killing everyone for no reason. This is what your "loving" God does. God teahces forgiveness. MOST OTHER NATIONS WOULD'VE killed some but left tem in their city under their control. Your God teaches that you should kill everyone if you conquer a city.
First off, you let her mourn for a month first. Second, the original hebrew text implies that the women has given her consent to have sex.
a) Please quote b) Even if it is true do you really think people will follow it. There are many ways to influence someones decision and some of them probably couldn't even wait to do that. I'm betting the people who wrote the bible knew that too and it was gods fault for making them that way.
"Since Bethel was the royal religious center of the northern kings, and Elijah and Elisha were known to frequent Samaria (perhaps even as their main residence), the youths from Bethel no doubt assumed that Elisha was going up to Samaria to continued Elijahs struggle against royal apostasy. Baldness was uncommon among the ancient Jews, and luxuriant hair seems to have been viewed as a sign of stregnth and vigor. By calling Elisha 'baldhead', the youths brom Bethel expressed that city's utter disdain for the Lord's representative, who, they felt, had no power."
Elisha pronounced a curse similar to the covenant curse of Lev 26:21-22. The result gave warnning of the judgment that would come on the entire nation should it persist in disobedience and apostasy. Thus Elisha's first acts were indicative of his minstry that would follow: God's covenant blessings would come to thos who looked to him, but God's covenant curses would fall on those who turned away from him."
So basically calling someone bald is punishable by death. I doubt the kids knew the significance, the guy just got annoyed at being called bald and thought he was being insulted and took it out on the kids and despite God knowing that the kids were just being kids he killed them. Again such a loving god. And where does it say all that you say in the bible. How do you know it.
"Jesus did not want a blind, naive commitment that expected only blessings. As a builder estimates cost or a king evaluates military stregnth so people must consider what Jesus expects of his followers before they commit their lives to him."
But still the values of a good family are repeatedly expressed in the old testament. Why would god rescind them. That is one of the few teachings I agree with.
"Parents are conseled to discipline their children so that they do not persist in foolish ways that can only lead to their destruction. Discipline "Imparts wisdom" and promotes a healthy and happy family. It is rooted in love."
Yeah, a kid will think I love my mummy cos she beat me. How likely. Most kids nowadays aren't beaten and are fine.
"Previous instructions (9:3, 10:4), Until now they had been dependent on generous hospitality, but future opposition would require them to be prepared to pay their own way. 'buy one' An extreme figure of speech used to warn them of the perilous times about to come. They would need defense and protection, as Paul did when he appealed to Caesar as the one whom God authorized to 'bear the sword'.
I can see why your god is called peace loving.
"The Lord declares was against the Midianites as one of Moses' last actions before the end of his life. Moses was not motivated by petty jealousy; rather, the war was 'the Lord's Vengence" for the Midianites' part in seducing the Israelites to engage in sexual immorality and to worship the Baal of Peor. (See 25:16-128, where the specific mention of Cozbi, a Midianite woman, heightens the anger expressed in ch. 31.)"
Again, a loving god who kills people who try and convert you? Not very likely.
This entire block was taken out of context. It was written in direction when one of the Israelite's countrymen is ppor and sells himself to you.
It is still about how to beat him etc.
Overall, you took these verses out of context and without understanding the meaning byhind them, or why they were written. Ironic that if anybody tried to do this with any other holy book of any religion, they would get slammed for being 'close minded', 'ignorant', etc, etc. Why can't we all just show a *little* bit of respect and decensey towards others beliefs?
What is the context. Religious leaders all do it whemn it suits them. You don't understand the context behind the verse that say god as good. They were all to convince stupid heathens. We both have no proof. And there are many good verses in the bibile that are quoted out of context.
1. Who said the bibles supposed to be moral? (I'm not saying it is or isn't but no one here said it is) 2. What is your definition of the word Moral? I'm pretty sure most of you don't know what it means.
1) Many christians base their morals on it. 2) The right or wrong thing to do.
So you support genocide then do you, that is what they did by killing everyone for no reason. This is what your "loving" God does. God teahces forgiveness. MOST OTHER NATIONS WOULD'VE killed some but left tem in their city under their control. Your God teaches that you should kill everyone if you conquer a city.
I'm just guessing that they didn't want them to rise again and try to take back the city but i have no idea. Also "MOST OTHER NATIONS WOULD'VE killed some but left tem in their city under their control" is completely false because the only nation i know of that did this were the Romans.
a) Please quote
Deutoronomy (21:13) And she shall remove the garment of her captivity from upon herself, and stay in your house, and weep for her father and her mother for a full month. After that, you may be intimate with her and possess her, and she will be a wife for you.
b) Even if it is true do you really think people will follow it. There are many ways to influence someones decision and some of them probably couldn't even wait to do that. I'm betting the people who wrote the bible knew that too and it was gods fault for making them that way.
If people don't follow it than those people aren't following the bible. If you are breaking the rules than you can't say the rules are bad because they are being broken. If i don't follow a law does that mean its a bad law? Not necessarily, it just means i didn't follow it and I'm subject to the punishment given for not doing so.
1) Many christians base their morals on it.
I'm not Christian and if it doesn't say anywhere that its supposed to be moral, than i have no reason to believe it is. (also, don't ask me questions on the new testament because i don't believe in jesus)
2) The right or wrong thing to do.
Please elaborate or read my definition i posted on page 6. Right now your definition is pretty much wrong.
We could easily argue its wrong because its hard to understand things with no context and a small knowledge of what is actually going on. Besides for that there wasn't any interpretation in the OP, just a set of quotes.
We could easily argue its wrong because its hard to understand things with no context and a small knowledge of what is actually going on.
God is love. 1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Love one another. John 13:34 "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
Every word of God is flawless.
Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
Are you okay these interpretations? We can easily argue they are wrong because it's hard to understand it with no context and small knowledge of what's going on.
Besides for that there wasn't any interpretation in the OP, just a set of quotes.
The interpretation of 2nd Kings 2:23-25 is "God sends two bears to rip up 42 little children for making fun of Elisha's bald head."
The interpretation of Luke 14:25-30 is "You must hate your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, yourself, and carry a cross on your back to become a disciple."
The interpretation of Luke 22:35 is "Sell your clothes for a sword."
Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
My translation says "Every word of God is refined; He is a shield for all who take refuge in Him." So i don't really know what to say. Besides for that, Proverbs wasn't even supposedly written by God. It was completely written by man.
The interpretation of 2nd Kings 2:23-25 is "God sends two bears to rip up 42 little children for making fun of Elisha's bald head."
The interpretation of Luke 14:25-30 is "You must hate your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, yourself, and carry a cross on your back to become a disciple."
The interpretation of Luke 22:35 is "Sell your clothes for a sword."
I thought that was just a title he was giving it because he just summed up what happened. I didn't read the ones from luke though.
We go to the argument that God made those humans flawed, and without good reason (I explained in other posts and threads) and also that he could've made sure they weren't wrong. Maybe he wanted them to be - because if they were certain then people would know hw's the--
I'm just gonna stop talking, right now I can see a complete rehash of the same argument and I have to go, so sadly I can't replay what would probably happen.
