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Graham
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This is the compiling of little interesting tidbits in a Christian's bible.

Source: BibleGateway.com

(New International Version ©2011)

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The New International Version (NIV) is a completely original translation of the Bible developed by more than one hundred scholars working from the best available Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts.

The initial vision for the project was provided by a single individual â" an engineer working with General Electric in Seattle by the name of Howard Long. Long was a lifelong devotee of the King James Version, but when he shared it with his friends he was distressed to find that it just didnât connect. Long saw the need for a translation that captured the truths he loved in the language that his contemporaries spoke.


God sends two bears to rip up 42 little children for making fun of Elisha's bald head.
2nd Kings
2:23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. âGet out of here, baldy!â they said. âGet out of here, baldy!â
2:24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
2:25 And he went on to Mount Carmel and from there returned to Samaria.


You must hate your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, yourself, and carry a cross on your back to become a disciple.
Luke
14:25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said:
14:26 âIf anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sistersâ"yes, even their own lifeâ"such a person cannot be my disciple.
14:27 And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.
14:28 âSuppose one of you wants to build a tower. Wonât you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it?
14:29 For if you lay the foundation and are not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule you,
14:30 saying, âThis person began to build and wasnât able to finish.â


Sell your clothes for a sword.
Luke
22:35 Then Jesus asked them, âWhen I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?â

âNothing,â they answered.

22:36 He said to them, âBut now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you donât have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
22:37 It is written: âAnd he was numbered with the transgressorsâ[a]; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.â
22:38 The disciples said, âSee, Lord, here are two swords.â

âThatâs enough!â he replied.


Beat your children
Proverbs
23:13 Do not withhold discipline from a child;
if you punish them with the rod, they will not die.
23:14 Punish them with the rod
and save them from death.


Moses's Vengence
Numbers
31:1 The LORD said to Moses,
31:2 âTake vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people.â
31:15 âHave you allowed all the women to live?â he asked them.
31:16 âThey were the ones who followed Balaamâs advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the LORD in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the LORDâs people.
31:17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.


God & Slavery
Leviticus
25:40 They are to be treated as hired workers or temporary residents among you; they are to work for you until the Year of Jubilee.
25:41 Then they and their children are to be released, and they will go back to their own clans and to the property of their ancestors.
25:42 Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves.
25:43 Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God.

25:44 ââYour male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
25:45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
25:46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.


Old Testament Counts
Matthew
5:17 âDo not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
5:18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
5:19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



Look it up for yourself; completely legit.

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master565
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quote]josh(10:28-33)
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That was during the time when the Jews were conquering israel and they kind of need to fight to do so.

Josh(6:21)


So they destroyed yet another city during their conquest. I don't remember the reason for killing everyone but what's so special about this.

Josh(8:23-27)


It's really annoying reading this in english because i don't know most the translated hebrew terms but i think this city might have belonged to the nation that ambushed the Jews in the desert so Jews pretty much have an unending hatred towards them.

Josh(10:28-39)


I'm not quite sure why you quoted this twice.

Deutoronomy (21:10-14)


First off, you let her mourn for a month first. Second, the original hebrew text implies that the women has given her consent to have sex.
PracticalManiac
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Context!!!!

This is happening before our very eyes hahaha

valkery
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That movie is this entire thread summed up.

Thank you

*looks up and sees &quotractical maniac"* ............................

The name makes sense man.

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Guys, calm down. I'm pretty sure that there's a context in which it makes sense to beat your slaves, kill children, **** the enemies' virgin daughters or even flood the whole f*cking earth.
/sarcasm off

You can take any violent passage in the bible and Christians will say that it is either metaphorical or out of context. I don't know how you can defend passages like that. At least admit that the bible was written by men and it's so violent because of the historical influences.

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(Quoting the 2008 Zondervan NIV Study Bible)

God sends two bears to rip up 42 little children for making fun of Elisha's bald head.


"Since Bethel was the royal religious center of the northern kings, and Elijah and Elisha were known to frequent Samaria (perhaps even as their main residence), the youths from Bethel no doubt assumed that Elisha was going up to Samaria to continued Elijahs struggle against royal apostasy. Baldness was uncommon among the ancient Jews, and luxuriant hair seems to have been viewed as a sign of stregnth and vigor. By calling Elisha 'baldhead', the youths brom Bethel expressed that city's utter disdain for the Lord's representative, who, they felt, had no power."

Elisha pronounced a curse similar to the covenant curse of Lev 26:21-22. The result gave warnning of the judgment that would come on the entire nation should it persist in disobedience and apostasy. Thus Elisha's first acts were indicative of his minstry that would follow: God's covenant blessings would come to thos who looked to him, but God's covenant curses would fall on those who turned away from him."

You must hate your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, yourself, and carry a cross on your back to become a disciple.


"A vivid hyperbole, meaning that one must love Jesus even more than one's immediate family."

"Jesus did not want a blind, naive commitment that expected only blessings. As a builder estimates cost or a king evaluates military stregnth so people must consider what Jesus expects of his followers before they commit their lives to him."

Sell your clothes for a sword.


"Previous instructions (9:3, 10:4), Until now they had been dependent on generous hospitality, but future opposition would require them to be prepared to pay their own way. 'buy one' An extreme figure of speech used to warn them of the perilous times about to come. They would need defense and protection, as Paul did when he appealed to Caesar as the one whom God authorized to 'bear the sword'.

Beat your children

"Parents are conseled to discipline their children so that they do not persist in foolish ways that can only lead to their destruction. Discipline "Imparts wisdom" and promotes a healthy and happy family. It is rooted in love."

Moses's Vengence

"The Lord declares was against the Midianites as one of Moses' last actions before the end of his life. Moses was not motivated by petty jealousy; rather, the war was 'the Lord's Vengence" for the Midianites' part in seducing the Israelites to engage in sexual immorality and to worship the Baal of Peor. (See 25:16-128, where the specific mention of Cozbi, a Midianite woman, heightens the anger expressed in ch. 31.)"

God & Slavery

This entire block was taken out of context. It was written in direction when one of the Israelite's countrymen is ppor and sells himself to you.

Old Testament Counts

"Taken together, "the Law" and "the Prophets" designated the entire OT, including the Writings, the third section of the Hebrew Bible. See 13:35, where Matthew introduces a quotation from the Writings with "what was spoken through the prophet". Jesus fulfilled the Law in the sense that he gave it its full meaning. He emphazised its deep, underlying principles and total commitment to it rather than mere external acknowledgement and obedience."

Overall, you took these verses out of context and without understanding the meaning byhind them, or why they were written. Ironic that if anybody tried to do this with any other holy book of any religion, they would get slammed for being 'close minded', 'ignorant', etc, etc. Why can't we all just show a *little* bit of respect and decensey towards others beliefs?
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People keep saying that the bible is immoral so there are two questions for you.

1. Who said the bibles supposed to be moral? (I'm not saying it is or isn't but no one here said it is)
2. What is your definition of the word Moral? I'm pretty sure most of you don't know what it means.

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Beat your children

"Parents are conseled to discipline their children so that they do not persist in foolish ways that can only lead to their destruction. Discipline "Imparts wisdom" and promotes a healthy and happy family. It is rooted in love."


And how about that one:
Leviticus 20:9 ESV
For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him.

Is that metaphorical or out of context?
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1. Who said the bibles supposed to be moral? (I'm not saying it is or isn't but no one here said it is)
2. What is your definition of the word Moral? I'm pretty sure most of you don't know what it means.


1.I suppose that would be the Abrahamic God who declared it Just/Moral.
2. I'd define morality as actions that are considered 'right' based on the agreement of society.
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1.I suppose that would be the Abrahamic God who declared it Just/Moral.


Does it say this in the bible? (it might, i don't know)

2. I'd define morality as actions that are considered 'right' based on the agreement of society.


And does society not change over time?
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Does it say this in the bible? (it might, i don't know)


I'm not sure - I think the argument that most Christians use in this situation is that because God is the ultimate authority and the creator of mankind, anything he says or does is considered moral.

And does society not change over time?


Exactly - this is why so much of the Bible is considered out of date by many people. The rules and laws and commandments that are given within it were relevant and acceptable 2000 years ago but times have changed a lot.
master565
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I'm not sure - I think the argument that most Christians use in this situation is that because God is the ultimate authority and the creator of mankind, anything he says or does is considered moral.


That is my point. No one said the bible is moral. Everyone here keeps assuming thats what we think of it as.

Exactly - this is why so much of the Bible is considered out of date by many people. The rules and laws and commandments that are given within it were relevant and acceptable 2000 years ago but times have changed a lot.


Yay, someone is on the same page as me.

Let me define moral. Moral is a relative term. It changes with society. It is what society currently views as the correct thing. 2000 years ago almost anyone would view slavery as normal. Now almost no one will view slavery as normal. Really morals are a lot like common sense, and quoting einstein "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." If we were told growing up that slaves were okay than our society would believe slavery is moral. Society is like evolution, it keeps changing (but we don't know for better or for worse).

For everyone who thinks the morals we have today would fit back then. Think again. We can't apply our morals to a society that existed 2000 years ago.
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But so why should one believe in something the bible said if you think it's outdated too? If the bible's morals should be considered old and ignored, I think the same treatment should be applied to god's existence, right?

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But so why should one believe in something the bible said if you think it's outdated too?


Because as i said, it's not necessarily worse. They could be better morals than what we have today but there is no way to compare them.

If the bible's morals should be considered old and ignored, I think the same treatment should be applied to god's existence, right?


Why should this apply to God?
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You said that the teachings about morals in the bible aren't applicable to today's world, but then I don't see why the other teachings in the bible should apply, since they are as old and outdated as the others.

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never heard the word baldy used in the bible haha

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