I ask this because a lot of these forums are of why people believe there is a God but, what about those out there who don't believe in a God? Why don't you think there is a God at all?
The problem isn't that people believe in god it is that religions have power and can use it to suppress things like stem cell research and try and stop abortions. And then there's the whole terrorism thing.
I think the biggest issue with religion is there are those extremist athiest who commint hate crime and things like that and then there are those fake/extreme religion people that brainwash and attack those who aren't in it
I think the biggest issue with religion is there are those extremist athiest who commint hate crime
Sigh. For the gazillionth time, Atheism -=I.S N.O.T A R.E.L.I.G.I.O.N=- If anyone claiming to be an Atheist does something bad, all it means is simply this; they are a bad person. We aren't a group. We don't share any ideals. We all share one thing, which is a lack of belief in a god and/or gods.
then there are those fake/extreme religion people that brainwash and attack those who aren't in it
Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean that their "Fake/extreme religion" is any less real to them than yours is to you. (Assuming you're religious anyways)
Btw, I think all major world religions have in their holy books that you should kill those who don't follow somewhere in some way.
I think the biggest issue with religion is there are those extremist athiest who commint hate crime and things like that
Even if Atheism WAS a religion, which it isn't, I'd like to point out that Christianity and Islam (or rather their followers) are guilty of millions of times more 'hate crimes' than Atheists will ever be because Atheists aren't a collective group and so things can't be done under the banner of atheism supporting it.
because Atheists aren't a collective group and so things can't be done under the banner of atheism supporting it.
This reminds me of the Haymarket Riots when unions started springing up; anarchists joined their cause and as a result the union workers were shone upon in a bad light by the media because of the anarchist involvement. Even if christianity is a collective group of persons, should you condemn them on the premise that they have members who commit terrible crimes?
should you condemn them on the premise that they have members who commit terrible crimes?
Not the ones who do it. But when a Christian claims, "They aren't following our religion, they're going against god by doing this" they are wrong. The bible is "the word of god" and the whole of leviticus is extremisim. The only reason they aren't as well is because they are being hypocrites (Albiet in a good way) and NOT following "what their god has set down" and don't kill everyone for a myriad of ridiculous things. THAT's what I condemn.
I don't give a rat's *** if you practice a religion or not, but when you try to impose your beliefs on others based on that religion, that's when i'll get in your face about it and show you that you're just being a misguided bigot until you either realize that, change, or go back to be comforted by members of that religion group and stop popping your head up. I don't really have a problem with the whole Muslim women thing, they choose to participate in that religion, so anything that happens because of that is what they chose. I could care less if a whole group of religious people advocated mass suicide of every person over 50 each year, they choose to do it, they are adults, they know what dying is, and they are doing it to themselves. I would fight it if it were to people who were not yet able to choose for themselves rationally. (Children, infants, mentally retarted) It's only when people try to enforce their personal beliefs onto others and condemn them for not following their religion that it's a problem.
Kasic, you act as if there is nothing in the bible that tells you to love your neighbor or respect others. There are terrible things in the bible, and there are good things in the bible. Who are you to say the bad outweighs the good? If something is not perfect, should have nothing of it?
Kasic, you act as if there is nothing in the bible that tells you to love your neighbor or respect others
Love and respect them all you want, love them as you kill them for idolatry, respect them as you pillage their village for worshiping another god, it's all good.
Who are you to say the bad outweighs the good?
You can have this cake. It's got a "bit" of poison in it, but it looks and tastes good!
If something is not perfect, should have nothing of it?
If something isn't perfect, it should either be fixed, ignored, or replaced with something better until it IS perfect. You shouldn't make excuses for it, if there's something wrong, it's wrong and needs to be fixed. This is easier said than done, but it's not impossible.
I don't really have a problem with the whole Muslim women thing, they choose to participate in that religion, so anything that happens because of that is what they chose.
No mate, in the vast majority of the cases the Islamic women DO NOT choose to participate in that religion. The men make them participate, often, the choice is Islam or death/****/assault/ostracism. Its not much of a choice. Sure, after some time and a lot of brainwashing -ceteris apribus- the women participate willingly, however that's due to some sort of Stockholm syndrome. They identify with and grow sympathetic to their "custodian".
There are terrible things in the bible, and there are good things in the bible.[quote] But some people like to pick and choose what suits them or their causes.
By your logic, would I not vehemently protest the government and refuse to vote or otherwise participate, because it is not fixed or replaced?
No, because in this case, voting and participation IS how it's changed. By sitting back and watching, you're saying you agree with the system.
I seem to recall numerous instances in the bible where the Jews worshipped idols, and were not punished by god.
And I also seem to recall people being mauled by bears for making fun of a bald person.
I'd say if you looked at the historical timeline, it'd go a little something like, I'm sorry I poisoned you, here's some cake.
Try..."I'm sorry I force fed you poison, here's some cake that's only poisoned a bit, that's better right! You can't blame everyone for poisoning you when WE don't force you to eat poison, we gave you cake...(with poison)"
I do not think there is a God because science leads me to believe otherwise. The universe is a magnificent, destructive, beautiful thing that was created out of the Big Bang and will end with the Big Crunch.
Just because I think something does not make it true though. There very well could be a God, but I am very confident in my belief that a God does not exist. If there were to be one, I like to think It would not have a heaven or hell in store for Its creations.
