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Really? I remembered reading a little about them and all I heard is that they have sex.

you know... the will for sex is something that changes with any individual so that cant be a fact.

Which could then bring us back to square one, except, that we'd know it's a choice and not a genetic mutation.

being gay is not a choice. think about it this way. someone who likes appeles likes them because he was born that way. he didnt choose to like apples. a boy who like blonde girls is the same. a boy who likes a boy is the same as well. you cant just one day decide what your likes and dislikes are. also, if it was a decision no one would choose to be gay. from what i know it is really hard with all that hatred and stereotypes and sometimes even the fear of your own family hating you. no one would choose that kind of life
(btw. if i misunderstood your post then please ignore this long paragraph XD)

male climax releases reproductive material... so one could postulate that at least the male is supposed to by fact of evolution climax inside a place that has the corresponding reprodcutive material.

both male and female climax releases endorphins, so can we suppose by fact of evolution climaxing should be meant to produce a feeling of well being?

I don't think we can just look at one aspect of the process and say "That's all the process is for." Would could say "that's just one use."

the only real problem I have with it is... if hot chicks can marry each other now... then there is no hope for me... forever alone. :'(

If more guys are preferring to go at it with each other that leaves more ladies for you.

Gosh when I said dead I meant it would die out over time seeing as it wouldn't breed, sorry for that mess-up, lol.

Not all are strictly homosexual and there are still plenty who are heterosexual. The genetic factors are based primarily on gene expression. So it's not required that the parent be gay for the child to be.

But wouldn't that Ram eventually pick a female partner in order to have offspring?

Not necessarily if it's imperative to mate is primarily focused on another male.

But if you really think about it, you'd see that most animals don't have far too many social customs in comparison to us, so clearly many of them do show homosexual traits, but they're all pretty much bi-sexual. So this shows that yes, in nature, animals do exhibit homosexuality, but not out of some sort of binding genetic preference.

Try to think of sexuality on a gradiating scale. Let's put it on a 1-11 scale. with 1 only being interesting in the opposite sex, 11 only being interested in the same sex, and 6 preferring both sexs equally. Most people who identify as heterosexual would be like a 3, while most who identify as homosexual is more like a 9. Though that doesn't mean that given the option the 3s and 9s would go with their non preferred gender, or even take enough interest to be sexually aroused.

Which could then bring us back to square one, except, that we'd know it's a choice and not a genetic mutation.

I'm not following your logic here and so far I think you've been a pretty good example of why schools should include education on homosexuality.

I would think if our learned social behaviors aren't present in many animals this would indicate genetics. It isn't necessarily a genetic mutation either as it's not necessarily a change in the gene sequence.

I'm not following your logic here and so far I think you've been a pretty good example of why schools should include education on homosexuality.

this might be a good idea and lower hatred. still... i cant imagine what you can posibbly teach about that and in what subject

i cant imagine what you can posibbly teach about that and in what subject

It could be taught in sex-ed or even biology.

Are we debating homosexuality in animals? Because there is evidence of it in most animals.

Read.

Try to think of sexuality on a gradiating scale.

And think of the Kinsey scale when you do 8)

If more guys are preferring to go at it with each other that leaves more ladies for you.

You shouldn't have dignified that with a response.

And think of the Kinsey scale when you do 8)

I would say it's even more so then the way that scale puts it. Really the best we could come up with is a rough analogy in this case.

You shouldn't have dignified that with a response.

Why not give him a positive perspective on it?

both male and female climax releases endorphins, so can we suppose by fact of evolution climaxing should be meant to produce a feeling of well being?

I don't think we can just look at one aspect of the process and say "That's all the process is for." Would could say "that's just one use."

endorphins make you happy... and happy people just don't kill their husbands

XD... so I liked legally blond... wanna fight about it?

endorphins are drugs... endorphins are addictive (to an extent)... I personally would feel like crap some days until I went for my daily minimum of 6 mile run back in the day of my not being hurt period.... then after the run I might hurt or be sore... but I'd be refreshed and happy. ...sometimes you just crave exercise... if endorphins are addictive then we could possibly say that endorphins are an evolutionary survivor b/c they make us repeat whatever process our body pumps them out for... it makes us crave the replication of whatever the process is. the endorphins are there to make us want to have sex and to repeat the process by my postulation. and then the morphology still in my minds eye is supposed to fit like a puzzle piece... (don't think about that too much... i didn't mean for it to be as humorously vulgar as it came out (>_> ditto)

and as for the female part of the story... the female sex organ produces its on lubrication amirite? it also elongates/stretches to adjust for the specifics of the particular partner there at the time. that tells me... it has developed via evolution to have something go there and stimulate it. the rolling cycle of producing eggs and placing them on the other side of that opening tells me that something that provides the reproductive material is supposed to go through there.


I don't see school education incorporating education on homosexual activity being successful. I mean maybe it would stop some of the soft hate and misunderstanding... but the bulk of the problem stems from those most vocal and belligerent with their attacks (imo)... the hate crimes against any potential group are still going to happen regardless of what teachers say in the class room... most problem racist kids I know just get agitated at having to sit through a sermon on the issues like that and then use bits and pieces of it as ammo.

a separate thing here... what would you teach in these lectures on gay acceptance? definitions of words like frottage? or that they're people too and you shouldn't make fun of them? I know not all education experiences are the same... but as I said before... I wasn't even really taught heterosexual intercourse... "this is the penis, this is the testes, sperm are produced in the testes, (mirror the female anatomy for this)... when the two meet they form a zygote. yadda yadda yadda... ~9months later you have a baby... next chapter.

pop culture (tv, radio, or just social experience) will have these kids already having been taught and imprinted with their stance on the issue at the point that they teach biological sex ed in ~7th grade. I know several of the people in my class that had already been around the block several times before that happened.

they also teach abstinence and don't drink underaged in the class room or during school wide auditorium lectures... and neither as already discussed have done much of a job either. (don't think the drinking part has... but kaboodles of people do it anyway)

as I see it.. the only real way to thoroughly deal with the problem... albeit its not a 100% fix (and might not work at all)... would be to, for lack of a better immediate term, indoctrinate them from very early on. ...but that would be stepping on the parents' toes so to speak. what if they want to be the one to give them the sex talk? what if they don't want them being taught anything about sex in the early years (~3rd grade or under)... that infringes on their apparent rights as a parent amirite? ..and if the gov't can take the parent's right to teach their kids what they want away, then what else would that open the door for them to take away?...would you be willing to open that pandora's box?

I don't see schools teaching homosexual education killing the root of the problem... if doing much of anything.

inb4 kill religion... i see homosexual acceptance happening before (that is if) religion dies.

when the homosexuals who are allowed to adopt or keep kids at their house start rolling out kids who are straight and w/ that destroy any heart wrenching tension the super straights have against gays having babies and that's publicized a lot then eventually people will quit caring... I think they talked about Ellen's lady friend.../wife (are they married?) who had a son that was in a heterosexual relationship w/ someone else... I just remember something like that once on tv. (wasn't really embellished or anything... and may not've been that particular couple.)

I for one don't really see a point in forcing a gay person to go straight... unless you re-wire them chemically then unless they're already bisexual then they may never be really attracted to me(or anyone of the opposite sex)... forcing someone to go against what they're programmed to do is only going to lead to resentment and bad feelings and I'm not sure if "love" can be attained in a relationship like that... I know I don't want to be with someone who resents our relationship.

I've known a few ladies that went different directions at different times in their lives... one's ~22... she went to juco after high school (hit on in class by a lesbian all the time... I was there... I heard all the " "well why not (insert name here)".... "I don't like girls silly" " conversations there in person.... I was sitting right by them... anywho... in juco she all of a sudden had a girlfriend for some reason... and now she's engaged to a 45 year old guy (ikr...wth) so... I'm a little foggy on it being solely chemical makeup and there being no choice in the matter. ...women are confusing.

in school you might could say... a lot of homosexuals... if not all... are homosexuals b/c of genetic make up and its natural/normal. that and anything else is still up in the air for how effective it would be...

sorry for my scattered thoughts... back and forth w/ different conversations.. and these posts don't just get typed out in 5 minutes so I forget things i wanted to say... and have them show up later... so when i thought about it is when i wrote it... so things may be out of order (for those of you who aren't very familiar w/ my style and history)

You shouldn't have dignified that with a response.

pshhh.... I/He/We dignify just about anything with a response. He was most likely continuing my humor. learn2laugh. Contrary to what you may think, I get tired of being Mr. Serious write out uber long passages guy. A lot of the reason that this is such a big issue is b/c people take things like this way too seriously... and if you couldn't tell... I advocated their right to do whatever they wanted to do... laugh a little. cheezum (this applies to all that read it)

Forgive my potential dp

and as for the female part of the story...

I won't refute that it's a function of the process, but I would argue that it's not the only thing the process can be used for.

I don't see school education incorporating education on homosexual activity being successful. I mean maybe it would stop some of the soft hate and misunderstanding... but the bulk of the problem stems from those most vocal and belligerent with their attacks (imo)...

The voice of those belligerent few would carry little weight beyond being looked down on or turned into a joke on the attackers behalf.

the hate crimes against any potential group are still going to happen regardless of what teachers say in the class room...

It could be dealt with far easier. Instead of a whole class of idiots who don't even know what they are mocking, you have maybe a few idiots who could be dealt with. How far do you think such insults would go if everyone just said "so what" and made the mocker look pathetic?

a separate thing here... what would you teach in these lectures on gay acceptance?

Pointing out how it's natural, the various theories on how it can arise, the biological mechanics, information on it's evolutionary uses such as the "super uncle" concept, dispel stereotypes and misinformation.

the various theories on how it can arise,

Can you give me a link to some?

it could be strictly gene based...

No, not strictly gene based but they do play a part.

it could be partially if not all choice for some
it could be socially engrained in us in our early days

These aren't that much different from each other and studies do not agree. Raising someone to be gay has even been tries and failed.

it could be set off by introduction of the wrong chemicals at the wrong times during gestation.

Not just that but the wrong amounts. Certain hormones effect how genes are expressed. So a lack or excess of certain types of hormones could cause the persons brain to be more feminine or masculine, but have to opposite effect on the body.

One clear example of how gene expression can produce radically different effects can be seen in butterflies. The genes used to make legs in a caterpillar are the same ones (expressed differently) to produce spots on the adult butterfly's wings.

it could be set off by introduction of the wrong chemicals at the wrong times during gestation.

Do they have to be wrong?

Is it not possible that homosexuality in animals (humans, alike) is as determined as heterosexuality? What if homosexuality serves as some sort of micro-evolution, etc? Not necessarily the examples I provided, exactly, but hopefully you can see my point.

Do they have to be wrong?

awww... why do people just has to say "wrong?" i really dont get it. the fact that there are less people doesnt mean its wrong. haters are bad but those who treats gays as some kind of mutants or like they have a disease arent any better.

it could be partially if not all choice for some

i hope you read my comment in the last (i think) page. because i dont want to explain this again. its not a choice period. even if a gay person will tell you he chose it, he probably meant he chose to accept himself and thats it

i hope you read my comment in the last (i think) page. because i dont want to explain this again. its not a choice period. even if a gay person will tell you he chose it, he probably meant he chose to accept himself and thats it

why does everything have to have a label, sexuality is a deeply confusing complicated experience, many gays say that there have been women they have been attracted to, for many they may just find that if there sexual feelings are predominantly towards men then its just easier to stick to men

it annoys me when people are asked to say if they are heterosexual or bisexual or homosexual, sexuality is so deep and complicated that labels are pointless, people will be attracted to whoever they are attracted to, as simple as that, as soon as anyone can accept this things become so much easier