god loves people but sometimes people hate him, if they don't repent for killing, raping someone etc. then he sends them to hell, you don't believe he would send them to heaven to **** and kill more people do you?
So you state that people who go to hell are people who: 1. hate god 2. murder 3. r*pe 4. etc But what about the people who don't believe in god, not because of any hate or whatsoever but simply because they don't believe? That doesn't necessarily mean they would hate him if they believed. Yet christians generally say that you go to hell if you don't accept jesus.
Oh, and slightly flawed logic: anyone sent to heaven couldn't r*pe or kill anyone, almost by definition, since they are in heaven. A soul can't do a lot of harm to another soul if both are bodyless, right?
I've always wondered how people defined souls because it more of a thought than an actual physical commodity. Kinda like love.
Yet christians generally say that you go to hell if you don't accept jesus.
Christians that I've seen either don't give two ****s about what you think or say your going to burn in hell if you don't agree with them. Very few actually listen.
So you state that people who go to hell are people who: 1. hate god 2. murder 3. r*pe 4. etc But what about the people who don't believe in god, not because of any hate or whatsoever but simply because they don't believe? That doesn't necessarily mean they would hate him if they believed. Yet christians generally say that you go to hell if you don't accept jesus.
"Atheists are often charged with blasphemy, but it is a crime they cannot commit... When the Atheist examines, denounces, or satirises the gods, he is not dealing with persons but with ideas. He is incapable of insulting God, for he does not admit the existence of any such being... We attack not a person but a belief, not a being but an idea, not a fact but a fancy. " -George William Foote
I've always wondered how people defined souls because it more of a thought than an actual physical commodity. Kinda like love.
That's a pretty good question considering it's about as ambiguous as god.
Here's Wiki. If you use the words from which it was translated (in Greek and Hebrew) it basically means 'life-force' or 'breath of life', what keeps living things living/moving.
Thank you Mage, this quote pretty much says what I wanted to express.
The state we are supposed to be in in heaven appears to me as something not specified anywhere, that everyone has personal ideas about.. I think that if we had souls, who went to heaven after death, it would all be immaterial, and so there could be no physical harm done, right? Which raises the question, how could we be tortured by fire in hell? Magic fire? Psychological torture?
He is all forgiving to a point... Most christians will use the argument that god gave you freewill so you choose to go to heaven or hell. The problem is though its kinda like blackmail. Basically its saying either you love me ( forcefully ) or you go to hell BUT remember even though I still send you to a place where you can never have a chance at redemption and burn forever I still very much love you. Its like him holding a gun to my head saying love me or die. That's not really love is it? But it also depends on what type of christian you are. I've heard of some factions of Christianity believing you go to heaven no matter what you do or what you believe in.
He is all forgiving to a point... Most christians will use the argument that god gave you freewill so you choose to go to heaven or hell. The problem is though its kinda like blackmail. Basically its saying either you love me ( forcefully ) or you go to hell BUT remember even though I still send you to a place where you can never have a chance at redemption and burn forever I still very much love you. Its like him holding a gun to my head saying love me or die. That's not really love is it? But it also depends on what type of christian you are. I've heard of some factions of Christianity believing you go to heaven no matter what you do or what you believe in.
You're saying that as if there are no rewards for believing in God. God is only doing what you said to help you. If you don't accept him as Lord, then you burn in eternal Hellfire. The Bible says that if you deny God, then He denies you at the Gates of Heaven. Heaven is full of rewards and wonderful things. Believe what you want, but I actually want my soul saved from eternal torture. Eternal. Not many people understand. Never ending torture. Never stopping, never ceasing. FOREVER. Unless you accept God.
You're saying that as if there are no rewards for believing in God. God is only doing what you said to help you. If you don't accept him as Lord, then you burn in eternal Hellfire.
Doesn't matter if there are rewards or not it's still emotional and psychological blackmail. This applied whether all of this is real or not.
Think closely about what heaven is really like. These are just some examples... Your closest friend in the whole world saved you from drowning but he's atheist so he get's to burn forever in hell for saving your life. The woman of your dreams, your wife or girlfriend maybe, doesn't believe in what you believe in so she burns forever. The very person who you swore your life to doesn't go just because she doesn't believe. Your grandparents, friends, and family who don't believe won't ever get to heaven but instead suffer. People who you love dearly won't be there. But since the bible claims there is no sadness in heaven then I'm assuming once you get to that magical place you forget all about them ( brainwashed ). Plus what's the point in living forever if there's no chance of death? Life will be dull, boring, and most of all people will be unappreciative. The reason why people try to do so much in they're lifetime is because they know that this is the only life you have so they try to live to the fullest. You can't appreciate the sunny days without the rainy days. Also I would rather burn and suffer so I could be with the ones I love.
But since the bible claims there is no sadness in heaven then I'm assuming once you get to that magical place you forget all about them ( brainwashed ).
This also goes with the claim that we are all sinners and there is no sin in heaven. We would have to be fundamentally altered to the point we were no longer who we were.
This also goes with the claim that we are all sinners and there is no sin in heaven. We would have to be fundamentally altered to the point we were no longer who we were.
That's true to but the biggest contradiction ever is clearly stated in the bible. Who is the snake in the garden of Eden? Satan. What is Satan's alternate name? Lucifer. What was Lucifer before he was known as Satan? He was an angel, more specifically the right hand man of God. What did Lucifer do to get thrown out of heaven? He rebelled against God i.e. he wanted to be higher than him. What did Lucifer do? He sinned while he was still in heaven by rebelling.
That's true to but the biggest contradiction ever is clearly stated in the bible. Who is the snake in the garden of Eden? Satan.
The only time the Snake his hinted at being Satan is much later in Revelations. But even here it doesn't indicate that it's in reference to the snake in the Genesis story, it just referse to Satan as "that old/ancient serpent" (Revelations 12:9 20:2). In the actual Genesis story the Snake is clearly stated as being just another animal in the garden.
Genesis 3:1 (NIV) Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
im authiest or how ever you spell it i just dont like religion becuas of all the fighting over it and its fine to believe in god or who ever but dont force other people to belive what you think also. theres thousands of reliogions the chances of your religon being the only real religon is slim
