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I am a christian and have been for the last 5 years. I go to a baptist church and enjoy it.
I want to see the opinion from both sides.
Please no atheists
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After a few weeks something bad but completely random happened to her and she blamed it on the fact she didn't pay the church. The church kept blackmailing her with promises of eternal hell would she not pay so she still pays them.
Yeah, we do pay have to 10% of our income but, the church doesn't have the right to constantly bring up her past. God doesn't even do that. Men can't judge other men only god can. was the random bad thing that happen was it economical?
After a few weeks something bad but completely random happened to her and she blamed it on the fact she didn't pay the church. The church kept blackmailing her with promises of eternal hell would she not pay so she still pays them.
Yeah, we do pay have to 10% of our income but, the church doesn't have the right to constantly bring up her past. God doesn't even do that. Men can't judge other men only god can. was the random bad thing that happen was it economical?
The inquisition and the Crusades as well as the European Witch-hunts pop immediately to mind. A lot of blood has been shed and damage caused in the name of the Abrahamic god.
Ok, like blade runner said new times better politics but, also in reference to this. If you notice man did all this under their decision. I do not see anywhere in the bible where it says hey burn all the witches or anything in that context. the crusades again under order of man and as for inquisition I did not really understand the wiki explanation. Another thing this is wikipedia not saying it isn't a good source but, it may not be 100% accurate when it comes to fact because the person typing it might be Bias but, the wiki for witch hunt and crusades seem legit.
The inquisition and the Crusades as well as the European Witch-hunts pop immediately to mind. A lot of blood has been shed and damage caused in the name of the Abrahamic god.
FlagI agree with Goblin on the crusades however look up the Salem witch hunt, this was not started by leaders it was people accusing their frineds and neighbours of witch craft, they used it as an exscuse to even the score with old grudges, however many of the population started to believe it was what god wanted and started to accuse their own family of witch craft after very small odd happenings[quote]
Avorne mentioned the European witch hunts, not the Salem witch hunt that occurred in America.
I do not see anywhere in the bible where it says hey burn all the witches or anything in that context.
Exodus 22:18 - Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Doesn't that say to kill witches?
Avorne mentioned the European witch hunts, not the Salem witch hunt that occurred in America
whats your point? they were basically the same things, it doesnt make the point any less vallid, stop nit picking
no, does it say kill? any synonym there? No, I see why you would think that way but, keep this in mind before the Witch or sorceress converted to "magic" what were they before? A person a regular person like you and I what this simple is stating to remove the spirit.
Act 16:16 Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a female slave who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling. 17 She followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, âThese men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved.â 18 She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, âIn the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!â At that moment the spirit left her.
That is an example she would have been considered a witch.
rnExodus 22:18 - Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Doesn't that say to kill witches?
This is what I was responding to.
actually i can't remeber where in the bible (sorry) but it says 'you shall not suffer a witch to live'
actually i can't remeber where in the bible (sorry) but it says 'you shall not suffer a witch to live'
I already responded up above
Most of those deaths could have happened without religion anyways. The crusades as more about politics, money and uniting europe then "spreading the word of god". The witch hunts and the such where a way for leaders to oppress the 'thinkers', it happened in non religious regimes just as well.
Do you even know what the Crusades were? Seriously how the hell wouldn't the hundreds of thousands of people lived if the Crusades didn't occur? They're called the CRUSADES because they were CRUSADES, and saying its about money or politics is utter bull - it was to spread "the word of God".
The witch hunts and the such where a way for leaders to oppress the 'thinkers', it happened in non religious regimes just as well.
The thinkers were the scientists who told the "world being flat" people to stfu, and then they got killed for saying it was round. Why? Religion, it hinders scientific development at an extreme level. Also, non religious regimes? Example? There was pretty much ONLY religion before Darwin observed similiarities in animals and humans, developing the concept of Evolution.
that's the past. the world is more politically correct now. if you want to get hung up on history then fine, but the modern day christians don't do any of that (unless it's a cult) and you are going to still discriminate because you aren't going to care about a single word I say
So much fail.
First, Christianity, and many other religions are a cult, it's only that the followers are large enough in number to be considered otherwise. If everyone thought that the universe was made by a big bang, and then a newspaper shows roughly 50 people worshipping a Cross, singing hymns and etc, would you think they're a crazy cult?
Don't even lie on that one.
That, and political correctness is such a slow development, and so is moral correctness. Oh, that reminds me. You know what hinders moral correctness? Religion. How? Because you get all your morals and teachings from the dang book, not that all of them are wrong, but a vast many are - and they're not your beliefs, they're the books.
Also "you are still going to discriminate because you aren't going to care about a single word I say", if it were in the passed the guy was talking about, then I'd view that statement as the most God-awful attempt of making him look like a ****** if he DID still discriminate. Nice job.
Men can't judge other men only god can.
Wrong. Half of the stuff you do is probably judgemental and your reactions to other peoples actions does leave a social influence on them. Saying "only God can" means nothing.
Yeah, we do pay have to 10% of our income but,
You're getting ripped off. The way I see it, you're selling your freedom, some of your money and your childrens beliefs for hope, morality and a feeling of security - all of which can be achieved without following a religion. Oh, and the childrens beliefs thing? If you pay 10% of your money and you follow a religion then chances are you're going to raise your kids believing it.
I do not see anywhere in the bible where it says hey burn all the witches or anything in that context.
The interpretation is done by men, and they do it to suit the situation. Witchcraft, mythology and in my opinion Religion was a method of explaining that which people did not understand. If the sky roared with thunder and lightning, obviously Zeus was pissed. If a volcano erupts and destroys a village, obviously Hades wants more people with him in the underworld.
Oh, and then Avorne just... nice job <3
- H
Aww, thanks High, nice job backing me up and expanding on some of my points - I'm glad you're here <3
Also, it doesn't matter if you don't think that your God supported what was happening back then, it was done under the banner of Christianity and the people honestly believed that God and the Bible backed up their actions.
Also, it doesn't matter if you don't think that your God supported what was happening back then, it was done under the banner of Christianity and the people honestly believed that God and the Bible backed up their actions.
Indeed, there are arguments that Christians do not follow that idealogy, but what about if God didn't follow previous Christians' idealogy? If he didn't, he didn't do anything to stop people being murdered in the name of him, he didn't bother aiding those resisting Christianity with undeniable proof. If you follow Christianity, then sorry, but you are siding with Gods contradictory and pretty merciless behaviour (or lack of behaviour).
He's all-powerful apparently, it would take no effort whatsoever to actually prevent it from happening, indirectly (ie telling them) or directly (sending them flying for 3 nights straight).
Aww, thanks High, nice job backing me up and expanding on some of my points - I'm glad you're here <3
Thanks man, I'm glad you're here too, you're welcome <3
- H
Do you even know what the Crusades were? Seriously how the hell wouldn't the hundreds of thousands of people lived if the Crusades didn't occur? They're called the CRUSADES because they were CRUSADES, and saying its about money or politics is utter bull - it was to spread "the word of God".
for once highfire my friend im going to have to disagree, althought the crusades were perpetrated under the guise of spreading the word of god, many of the origional reasons were soley political and inspired by only political motivations, however i think the fact that so many people signed up to follow the complete crap, and evil that were the crusades, this is testament enough to the evil that religion can cause no matter what the origional political motivations, people still bought into their religious lies
The Crusades original goal was to retake the Holy Land and Jerusalem after the Christian Byzantine Empire called for help in stopping the Muslim Turks from occupying Anatolia. Whilst this was the original goal, internal conflicts and other happenings did offset it and operations like sacking the Christian Constantinople was certainly a political act.
Another point to be made from sprooshchickens reasons is that this backs up my point about religious interpretation - they did it to suit the situation, no?
- H
The Crusades original goal was to retake the Holy Land and Jerusalem after the Christian Byzantine Empire called for help in stopping the Muslim Turks from occupying Anatolia.
exactly, political, Christian Europe had no want of a Muslim empire
Another point to be made from sprooshchickens reasons is that this backs up my point about religious interpretation - they did it to suit the situation, no?
yes i agree
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