I dont know why people discriminate against homosexuals. They are still humans. A lot of people hate them because it says they are going to hell for that. Didnt god make every person the way they are? Didnt Jesus say to love your neighbors like family? They are fellow humans. They were born that way. Do you think you (if you are strait) could go out and marry and live with one of the same gender? No. Because its not a choice whether you like the same/different gender. Discriminating against homosexuals is just like discriminating against blacks.
dude god didn't create anyone to be gay. he doesn't want anyone to be gay thats why its a sin. sure they're human and we should treat them with respect but its still evil and we should reject it because thats what god tells us to do.
At any rate, the way you've stated the argument is question begging as it (if I remember right), states if everybody adopted the universal maxim then assumes everybody ought to take the maxim to argue that the maxim oughtn't be applied.
im a little lost on what you trying to say and you may have already talked about this but its the darn forums fault. this thing should be a chat room....
This, however, is a moral objection to homosexuality - which is why you should LOVE the CI. I was thinking about a refutation to my argument on the grounds that the continued existence of mankind cannot be morally evaluated. Your evolutionary argument I don't think addresses the moral issues of the CI. Now, if you want to attack the CI itself, I'm game
I haven't been thinking about this properly over the past fortnight; consequentially I've been expressing myself incorrectly. Also, I blame ye olde englishe translations of Kant :P I mean, just look at this:
Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law.
Source: Kant's Grounding for the Metaphysics of Morals
Because I haven't been braining well lately, I keep misreading this to eventually imply "we ought to make moral universal laws that we follow rigidly". Duh, what was I thinking.
What I actually dislike is where moral absolute laws use something like the CI as justification (i.e. improper retroactive applications). There's nothing wrong with CI itself... *feels like a chump*
The main issue I have with the CI, therefore, was its motivation to create a set of concrete, universal laws, when I prefer us to be aware of circumstance and context. I just don't want to encourage anything of the sort!
It sounds like you are a little insecure about your sexuality, are you afraid of getting hit on by other demasculinized men, who might tempt you into homosexual tendencies?
If you are comfortable and confident in your own sexuality, ideals, etc, then what difference isit to you what other people think or do? If you look at it from your point of view, there will be more room for you in heaven right?
Also, I think God did make Homosexuals, it can't be a sin because we would be tempted into homosexuality and i certainly don't feel any sexual attraction towards any men. Gay people can't help it, they are sexually attracted to men, the same way you and I are attracted to Women. Its a chemical and biological change in their mind, that occurred either through genes, or upbringing.
Homosexuality occurs in animals also. But these animals that are homosexual often do not reproduce correctly and these traits do not get passed on, while in humans, just recently, have people become very open about their different orientations. In the past people hid their homosexuality because it was not tolerated. And they even married and lead a normal heterosexual life in order to be accepted. So these homosexual traits were spread throughout.
Actually Flip, I think I did say in one of my posts that I linked to how homosexual behavior (whatever the heck this *actually* means) propogates in certain animal species as reflected in their social structure.
I mean, if homosexuality not being passed on was the end of the story, then obviously (as the joke goes) the trait would die out. But this is obviously not the end of the story*, seeing as we can observe these behaviors in an established social order, which suggests that they persist somehow (flamingos are the best example I can think of right now, but I'll have to dig up more specific references at some stage).
Furthermore, if we could get past the stage where we talk of "homosexuality as opposed to heterosexuality", and start really internalising the notion of sexuality as a spectrum (not just in terms of gender, too), within which there are varied and variably varied presentations, I'm sure the way could be paved for a much better understanding of what exactly drives human sexual (and related) behaviors.
*To people saying "but they're gaining the right to have kids which means more of teh ghey, oh noes", I have to say this: right, homosexual people have been obviously practicing IVF, surrogacy and cloning for several thousand years to survive the tides of human society and not die out because they don't reproduce. Duhhhhhhh.
dude im straight as an arrow. i personally hate gays and if any gay dude hit on me i would probably punch him in the face. i am straight and will be straight for the rest of my life. but being a Christian comes first.
also god didn't make homosexuals, but he knew that there would be people like that. plus yes homosexuality is a sin and it says so directly in the bible. if you've ever read it you would know. i also know that some gay people can't help being gay. but their parents and society can help not trying to influence them into acting on it.
Where does it say that, Tenacious? If you're talking about Leviticus, Allow me to refer you to Mark 7. It basically explains Jesus saying that you shouldn't put your own ideals in front of what you think God wants. God doesn't want you to hate anyone. God loves everyone, regardless of whether they are sinners or not.
The only place where homosexuality is specifically condemned is in Leviticus the Old Testament - in the same book where we are also forbidden to eat pork. But please, if you can find another place where homosexuality is specifically condemned, then do so.
