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Have You ever walked in your church with a soar throught or something,and you sit down and suddenly it doesn't hurt? Because it's happened to me.

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HahiHa
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I thought god did not interfere anymore because it would go against free will? Why doesn't he do a miracle and make me believe then? :P

CalvinKidd137
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He does not interfere but he is the only one that has the power to perform miracles. Even Churches ca not heal just by being there.

Avorne
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He does not interfere but he is the only one that has the power to perform miracles.


Care to prove any of this or are you just operating on baseless assumptions?
CalvinKidd137
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Care to read the Bible and and James Chapter 1 verse 5 ask of god.
Why don't you ask god if he has the power to perform miracles.

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He does not interfere but he is the only one that has the power to perform miracles.


Since a miracle by definition would require his intervention then no miracles take place as he does not interfere. This would mean any claim of a miracle occurring would be a false claim.
Avorne
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Care to read the Bible and and James Chapter 1 verse 5 ask of god.
Why don't you ask god if he has the power to perform miracles.


I have enough fiction books to read right now - you should check out the Discworld series - it's much better than the bible I also don't see the point in talking to God when I might as well talk to the Tooth Fairy.
CalvinKidd137
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Well if you are not religious then why are you in this thread?????????

Kasic
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Well if you are not religious then why are you in this thread?????????


Hmm...Do you have to like apples to say if it's rotton? Do you have to like child molesters to argue with them? I think not. The thread is about whether they can or not, that by no means precludes someone who's not religion from posting. Anyways, yes, there's a contradicting almost everywhere you look. Interfere = no free will so god doens't interfere, but! then you have people saying he performed a miracle which = interfere.
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Since a miracle by definition would require his intervention then no miracles take place as he does not interfere. This would mean any claim of a miracle occurring would be a false claim.

You may call it help too.Religious doctrins suggests that He is preventing or boosting His subjects but our very little line of sight prevens us to see theese butterfly effects. Secondly, He created everything in a genuine science of their own(even esoteric),which means flying or teleportation could be achieved. Lastly, it doesnt matter to him to give power to fly a planet/bird/human.At this point intervention is the denials we commit against Him since he is dominant and cant be judged.As the matter of the fact that the definitions made by society are skeptical since labeling diffirentiates.
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Secondly, He created everything in a genuine science of their own(even esoteric),which means flying or teleportation could be achieved


Er...okay, so we've got..."God created everything through how it is so we can teleport" that makes a lot of sense...

Lastly, it doesnt matter to him to give power to fly a planet/


Planets don't fly.

.At this point intervention is the denials we commit against Him since he is dominant and cant be judged.


I just got a weird feeling in my gut. Goddidit! All you're saying is that god does everything, but you can't prove it, nor can you disprove it, because to do so you'd have to disprove reality which cannot be done.
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If god can perform miracles why are they never massively public ones? And if god sees fit to perform some miracles which have no special circumstances why not more?

And Avorne, true Discworld is epic. But death is more approachable than the tooth fairy especially as he can be summoned.

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And Avorne, true Discworld is epic. But death is more approachable than the tooth fairy especially as he can be summoned.


Heh, I didn't really think about that, I wanna switch and talk to Death - he's the coolest anthropomorphic personification ever and he loves cats.

I've always wondered about that as well, why there are never any miracles that can be witnessed by the public at large, not in the modern age anyway - almost all of the 'massive' miracles were reported far back in history where people were still highly-superstitious and didn't have such a good understanding of science.
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I have felt good in church but never had that feeling when it doesn't hurt. Sounds look a cool experience.

HahiHa
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Well if you are not religious then why are you in this thread?????????

This is an open debate where everyone can post his/her opinion, and we'd like to keep it at the level of a debate; so please don't get set up like this, or you may have to leave the debate yourself.

Why don't you ask god if he has the power to perform miracles.

I would love to, like I would love to be taught about all things in religion by the deity itself, but since he seems to ignore me, there's not much I can do.

You may call it help too.Religious doctrins suggests that He is preventing or boosting His subjects but our very little line of sight prevens us to see theese butterfly effects.

That is still an intervention. You accurately used the term butterfly effect, meaning they would have a huge impact, just none we could witness directly. If god is to let us have our free will (heh...), then he has his hands tied up. Only possibility would be to say that those who go into a church would directly or indirectly search for a solution or a cure, that they accept the possibility of a miracle, and in this case free will wouldn't be infringed too much.
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